Pssst...Hey...you liberals....yeah you...cmere a second?

Question

I have a question I'd like to ask you liberals. I've heard alot of talk from you all about how the CIA and other military factions need to be regulated and stop torturing people...While I agree with you partially (torture is bad...but sometimes its the only thing that works...last resort only and the flase confession things suck) do you honestly think The CIA or NSA will listen to any laws that restrict them? Im pretty sure the dam CIA will do whatever the h**l they want. And you cant get rid of them because how would you ever know if they broke the law or not? So why act like a coupla laws are gonna make them change their ways?

Opposing viewpoints welcome!!!!!!

Answer 1

I'm a liberal, but I'm certainly not stupid enough to believe that the CIA and agencies like them are going to give a p**p about what laws they may be violating.  

And, it doesn't matter, because I think the majority of the American people are just fine with torture, as long as we're not torturing anyone they care about.  Bush would change his tune soon enough if he wasn't sure most Americans agree with him.  And if you don't, well, you're just a d**n liberal traitor who doesn't love his country.  That's been their response for the past eight years, and plenty of people have bought into it.  

I'm wondering where you're hearing this talk.  Not from anyone I know.  Or is this what Fox News claims liberals are saying?

Answer 2

If it's the law, the CIA and other intelligence agencies must abide by it or face criminal action. If any intelligence agencies have gone "rogue" then they need to be reigned in and possibly disbanded if need be. It's our tax dollars that fund them, so if laws are passed by our representatives that the agencies don't abide by, there's something seriously wrong.

Answer 3

The 8th Amendment:

"Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted."

The founding fathers thought that this was a BASIC RIGHT that everyone should have.   If you believe the second amendment is sacred, and accept torture, you are a hypocrite.

That's superficial though, really, if you believe torture is acceptable....you oppose what the United States of America was founded on and what it has stood for, even through much bigger wars than we face now.   We didn't need to torture to win WWII.

Another argument is that it doesn't work, but if you even look at it as an option you are opposed to freedom.

Answer 4

Years ago, I read a book.

Okay, I read a lot of books, but this one was by a FBI officer who worked his way up through the ranks. And he talked about how he saw corruption starting to take place, and how one guy he thought would make a really good agent teamed up with a bad one, took some stupid kid into the back of a van, and "talked" to him.

And later he went up to the agent he thought was still redeemable and said "you used to be ten feet tall to me." And the guy figured out what he was talking about, and stopped.

So basically, we police ourselves. We still have men and women of integrity who built a legacy of not being inhumane to prisoners, who stopped it when they saw it. And then we have Bush making torture a policy and throwing their honor and service back in their faces.

We need to stop that.