Qadyanis ! What do u believe ? was your prophet (Mirza) the last one or others r also on their way ?

Question

Qadyanis ! What do u believe ? was your prophet (Mirza) the last one or others r also on their way ?

Answer 1

Hazrat Ahmad (as) was the Imam Mahdi and Messih as foretold by the Qur'an and the Holy Prophet (sa).

Islam only teaches that no more Law Bearing Prophets will come.  Allah may, however, raise Muslims who are in complete obedience to Muhammad (sa) and of course Allah in every way, to the level of Propehthood should mankind need it.  There is no restriction on Allah blessing the Ummah of Muhammad (sa) to raise Prophets subordinate to Muhammad (sa) from them.

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@p**i Chap - brother you are very good at copy/pasting.  But yet, you have yet to refute any of the previous arguments of hazrat Ahmad (as) that I have posted.  The Qur'an and hadeeth make clear that Isa (as) has died already.  Your own Ahle Hadeeth scholars have admitted that the 30 liars have come and gone, and the time of Messiah is here.  The Prophet (sa) himself said that Messiah will be Nabi'Ullah.  I'm not sure what else proof you need brother.  Allah guide you.

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@p**i Chap - That verse makes clear that the Jews did not kill him on the cross.  It does not say that he ascended to heaven as Yusuf Ali mistranslates.  The Orthodox Muslim argument is that the words in (4:159), “Bal Rafa’ahollaho Ilaihi” or “On the contrary, Allah exalted him to Himself” clearly show that Jesus was lifted to Heaven by Allah.  However, this is a mistranslation of the true understanding of the word Rafa’a (exalted).  In fact, Allah clearly shows that no one can ascend to heaven.  He gives the example of the Prophet Muhammad (sa) himself. “‘Or, thou have a house of gold or thou ascend up into heaven; and we will not believe in thy ascension until thou send down to us a Book that we can read.’ Say, ‘Holy is my Lord! I am but a mortal sent as a Messenger’” (17:94).

Prophet Muhammad (sa) gave this answer to the Jews who demanded that he ascend to Heaven. If Muhammad (sa) is incapable of ascending to heaven because it is inconsistent with humanity, and he is a mere mortal, how is Jesus capable of doing so?

God instructed Prophet Muhammad (sa) to answer, ‘Holy is my Lord! I am but a mortal sent as a Messenger.’ If Allah says that Muhammad (sa) is incapable of ascending to Heaven and Jesus Christ (as) was, then Jesus Christ (as) must be of higher rank (Nauzubillah) than Prophet Muhammad (saw). If the best of creation lay buried for over 1,400 years, and Jesus remain alive for over 2,000 years, does it not confer superhuman qualities to Jesus?  If the reason why Muhammad (sa) cannot ascend is because he is "but a mortal," then how can Isa (as) ascend?

Furthermore, the word that Allah uses for ascend in the verse above is "tarqi fisamaa" which means ascend to heaven.تَرْقَى فِي السَّمَاء

If Allah truly meant to indicate that Isa (as) has ascended to heaven, why would He not use the clear cut word He used to show that Muhammad (sa) can NOT ascend to heaven?  This is because Allah wanted to make clear that no person can ascend to heaven, not even Muhammad (sa).  The word Rafa'aa means spiritually exalted as mentioned earlier.  This word has been used in numerous places in the Holy Qur'an and is used on our dailiy Muslim prayer every single day as well.  ONLY in the case of Hazrat Isa (as), do Orthodox Muslims translate it to mean physical ascension where as everywhere else they understand it to mean spiritiual exaltation.  There is no real reason behind this.  The verse that declares that even Muhammad (sa) cannot ascend makes clear that Allah does not ascend anyone to heaven, Hazrat Isa (as) being no exception.

Other Quranic verses use rafa’a, but never mean a literal or physical ascension:

“…and raised high above you the Mount (rafa-na)…” (2:64).

“We exalt in degrees of rank whom We please (narfa’u)” (6:84).

“…exalted some of you above others (rafa’a)” (6:166).

“And if WE pleased, WE would have exalted him thereby (rafa’ naaho) …” (7:177).

“And relate the story of Idris as mentioned in the Book. He was a truthful man and a Prophet. And We exalted him to a lofty station (rafa’ anaaho)” (19:57-58).

“This light illumines houses with regard to which Allah has ordained that they be exalted and that HIS name be remembered in them (an turfa’a)” (24:37).

“… and righteous deeds does he exalt (yarfa’uhu)” (35:11).

And there are still many more verses I'm not listing for the sake of brevity.

Tafsir Saafi mentions under (3:145), regarding the demise of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (saw): “Until when Allah called His Prophet and exalted him to Himself.”(Hatta Idha Da'a Allaho Nabiyyahoo Wa Rafa'a Hoo Ilaihi)

Here the phrase Rafa'a Hoo Ilaihi is used for the Holy Prophet (saw) and has never been interpreted as his physical ascension to heaven.  Therefore it is clear that the true meaning of Rafa'a is not physical ascension, but spiritual exaltation.  In no other situation does Yusefl Ali or any translator of the Qur'an make Rafa'a to mean physical ascension, Except in the case of Isa (as).  The above verses provide evidence to the proper meaning of Rafa'a.  If we accept that it means physical asencion, the we have to accept that all the above mean the exact same thing.

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@p**i Chap - I'm sorry brother I don't follow your line of reasoning.  It's okay for you to copy paste from hate websites but its' not okay for me to research alislam.org?  This is just another way of you avoiding having to answer the questions I've sent you.  I've quoted your OWN scholars saying that the 30 liars have come and gone, and you have no response.  That, my brother in Islam, is a fact.

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@p**i Chap - Brother once again you haven't actually refuted anything I wrote, but simply said, "oh he didn't die."  The fact is I quoted you Qur'an and Hadeeth.  The Hadeeth you talk about him descending is clearly a spiritual descent and should be understood as much.  There are numerous Hadeeth that show that Isa (as) has already died.  I quote them below but of course, you will not accept them.

“If Jesus and Moses had been alive, they would have had no choice but to follow me.”(Tafsir Ibn Kathir, Vol. I, p. 449; Vol. II, p. 245 under 3:82); (Zurqani, Vol. VI, p. 54; Tibrani Kabir, al Yawaqitwal Jawahar, Part II, p. 23/24)

According to this Hadeeth it is clear that Jesus (as) has passed away.  If he was alive in the heavens and not dead, then the Holy Prophet (sa) would have said so  However, he ties the fate of Isa (as) to the same fate as Musa (as), that is, "if they had been alive."  Hence, since we know Musa (as) has certainly died, it is illogical to assume that Isa (as) is alive.

Here is another important Hadeeth. “May the curse of God be on the Jews and the Christians who made the graves of their prophets into places of worship.”(Sahih Jami Bukhari, Vol. I, Book 8 #427; Vol. II, Book 23, #414, 472; Vol. IV, Book 56, #660; Vol. V, Book 59, #725, 727; Vol. VII, Book 72, #706); (Sahih Jami’ Muslim, Ch. 47, Book 4, #1079-1083); (Malik’s Muwatta, Book 45, #45.5.17)

Christianity gives special import to only 1 prophet and this Hadith concludes that Prophet Muhammad believed Jesus Christ to be placed in a tomb. This in fact is where he received treatment after the crucifixion.  How would Isa (as) have a grave if he was alive in heaven?

Here I present one more very crucial Hadeeth and a well known event in Islamic History.  When a delegation of 60 men from the Christian people of Najran came to Prophet Muhammad their chief priest discussed the status of Jesus Christ and asked who was his father?

Prophet Muhammad replied, “Do you not know that a son resembles his father?” They said, “Yes.” He replied, “Do you not know that our Lord is living and He will never die, whereas Jesus has already died (A lastum ta’lamuna anna rabbana la yamutu wa anna Isa ata ‘alaihil fana?”(Asbab al Nazul, by Imam Abul Hasan Ali bin Ahmad al-Wahidi of Neshapur, published in Egypt, p.53)

How much more clear could the Prophet (sa) be?  He now compared Allah to Isa (as).  He says that Allah will never die and Isa (as) has already died.  Hence, at the time of the Prophet (sa), Isa (as) had already died per the testimony of the Propeht (sa) himself.

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@p**i Chap - I already responded to your mistranslation of the original ayat you posted.  I showed very clearly, From the Qur'an, that rafa'aa does not mean physical ascension.  I also showed how the Prophet (sa) could not ascend and hence that no one could ascend.  I also showed authentic hadeeth before Imam Hanafi's time that shows that the Prophet (sa) believed Isa (as) to be dead.  How much more clear can I be brother?  

And keep in mind, I have not even offered the numerous ayats of the Qur'an that make clear Isa (as) has already received death.

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@p**i Chap - So you still haven't refuted the hadeeth or ayats I cited.  Let me know when you're ready to do so.  peace brother.

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@Sami - No offense taken.  Go ahead and offer me a better explanation of rafa'a please. Oh, and like I did, base it off the Qur'an please.  Jazakallah.

love for all, hatred for none

Answer 2

Assalamo Alaikum!

Us Ahmadis believe that Hazrat Muhammad (saw) was the final LAW-BEARING prophet.  That is to say, any prophet to come after him will be a REFORMER prophet.  Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) was a REFORMER prophet because he brought people back to the true Islam.  With what we know from history, man is good at taking good things and making them bad.  So Islam needed a reformer 1400 years after the Prophet (saw), Islam may need another in another 1400 years.   Or even before.  Or perhaps never.  Only Allah knows.

--

Muslim who believes in the Mahdi

Answer 3

Just look at the way one person answered this question by bringing up the death of Jesus.Whenevever you talk to a Qadiani, he invariably brings this topic of the death or otherwise of Jesus. I know this very well because my father was a Qadiani. He wanted to take out topic like this. I told him OK perhaps Jesus was dead but does it prove any claims of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed ? I asked my father and some Qadiany Muballighs to give me the full works of Mirza Sahib. No they are not interested in that. Instead they may bring the books of their second Caliph,etc. The Mirza debated with Christian missionaries and alas ! the Qadianis have much much in common with them. And I just wonder how this question will be answered by the Lahories. ONE REQUEST : PLEASE BE GENTLER IN FRAMING QUESTIONS. THE QUESTION IS FACTUALLY INTERESTING BUT IT COULD HAVE BEEN PUT IN A LESS OFFENSIVE LANGUAGE. Certainly I have seen much contradictions in the claims of Mirza sahib.

Answer 4

@1qfactor

it is clear from your argument that you have a big lack of arabic language knowledge.

its ok to be  Muslim while you don't understand Arabic, but to interpret/translate, you have to be at least proficient in Arabic tongues to do so. because the Quran is in Arabic and hadith too.

no offense, but all your arguments involving Quran doesn't make sense to anyone one who have the slightest understanding of arabic.

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@1qfac

here are some of the meanings of rafaa:

v. lift, expand, exalt, mount, dismiss, pick up, elevate, put up with smth., heighten, hike, push up, raise, thrust, upheave, uphold, boost, crane, heave, inflate, lever, pick, promote, roll up, set up, take up, brace, hold up, send up, turn up



n. rising, rise, lifting, uplift, hoist, elevation, leverage, heave

Answer 5

Mirza Gulam Ahmed being Imam Mehdi claimed that he is the Promised Messiah, Eisa Ibne Maryam also, that was prophesiced by the Holy Prophet (Pbuh), who he will come before the Day of Judgement. Was he correct in his claim? Let us see, what Holy Prophet SAW said about this...

"By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, Son of Mary (Jesus) will shortly descend amongst you people (Muslims) as a just ruler and will break the Cross and kill the pig and abolish the Jizyah (a tax taken from the non-Muslims, who are in the protection, of the Muslim government). Then there will be abundance of money and no one will accept charitable gifts." (Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 3, Book 34, No. 425)

Did Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani fulfil this, which Holy Prophet (Pbuh) swore that they would take place? Mirza never even got a chance to rule the country and establish justice. There are many other (authentic) examples I can give...

Mirza himself was aware that whatever he has claimed is totally against what has been mentioned by Holy Prophet Muhammad (Pbuh)but he was so overcome by his satanic desires that he did not realise that he is committing blasphemy. He justified his claims by saying:

"The basis for our claims is not Hadith but Quran and that Wahi which comes to me. Yes, in support we also present those Hadith which are according to Quran and DO NOT CONTRADICT MY WAHI. Rest of the Hadith, I THROW THEM AWAY LIKE A WASTE PAPER." (Roohani Khazain vol.19 p.140)

May Allah save us all from this evil sect (Aameen)

EDIT: Theq1.... where does it say in the Qur'an, Jesus (Pbuh) is dead? .But we do have in the Qur'an, .".That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them [or it appeared so unto them], and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not: Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.

—Qur'an, [Qur'an 4:157]

As for not refuting your other claims, brother, we both know, you will never agree to disagree. I have reasoned with you once before, but your answer to everything is from Al-Islam.com where you actually 'copy and paste' from... spurious Hadiths or verses from an Ahamdiya site which has no signifcance, or authenticty in relation to the 'genuine' Hadith and Qur'an others' (99% of Muslims) understand.

EDIT: Dying on the cross is another argument. So if Jesus (Pbuh) was not killed or crucified, then  It does not seem reasonable to believe that in this context “raising him up” meant elevating his spiritual status before God. So, we must understand that Allah saved Jesus (Pbuh) from an accursed death on the cross between two thieves as the Gospel alleges.

However, back to the point,  Allah said that: "They did not kill him and they did not crucify him, but it was made to seem so to them"  In addition, many other verses reveal that Jesus (pbuh) is alive in God's presence and that he will come again. Islamic scholars agree that it is impossible to maintain any other position. For instance, Ibn Hazm emphasised that: "Anyone who says that Jesus (pbuh) was killed will either be someone who leaves the just religion or an unbeliever.

We have authentic Hadiths that speak of Jesus (Pbuh) come back to Earth, which I'm sure you know of and and read, but to no surprise, disagree with.

EDIT: Theq1, I answered your refute in the first EDIT, when I mention the verse of the Qur'an ...""but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them""...  this is enough to prove Jesus (Pbuh) will return, and will die a natural death.

You call yourself 'Sunni' so I'm sure you're aware in the Sunni school of Islam, Imam Abu Hanifa is the greatest collector of hadiths on Jesus' second coming. In the final part of his Al-Fiqh al-Akbar, he states that:

The emergence of the Dajjal and of Gog and Magog is a reality; the rising of the sun in the West is a reality; the descent of Jesus, upon whom be peace, from the heavens is a reality; and all the other signs of the Day of Resurrection, as contained in authentic traditions, are also established realities.

Jesus' second coming is one of the ten great signs of the Last Day, and many Islamic scholars have dealt with the subject in great detail. When all of these views are considered together, it becomes apparent that there is a consensus on this event.

So everything you say, believe, understand, you interpret this in your own way, in amiss way. If you can't agree with authentic Hadith, or Qur'an, the fundamentals of a Muslims belief, then your refutes are illogical, and for me to even argue with you is otiose.

EDIT: Oh now, everything you disagree with is, you will cite "Mistranslation" Look brother,  contrary to what you people believe, Jesus (Pbuh) was not crucified and killed nor did he die for any other reason. No verse in the Qur'an. , is there an actual reference to his murder or that he was killed, . Furthermore, the Qur'an acquaints us with some events from the life of Jesus (Pbuh) which haev not yet happened. Thus, his second coming to earth is a prerequisite for these events to happen. There is no doubt that the Qur'an's revelations will surely happen.