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Question From Jehovah's Witnesses, Do you really believe Jesus is also the Arch Angel Michael?

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I have been studying with a friend who is a JW, But when looking for more information I found this video allow with much other disturbing information.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiWOkwq_vSo&feature=related

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  1. I have not checked out your link & i am not a Jehovah's Witness but i agree with them that Michael & Jesus are one in the same.

    Colossians 1:15-20....15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. 19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross


  2. Congratulations, You're on your way to coming to accurate knowledge,

    regarding our heavenly Father and God, Jehovah.

    And His will for mankind.

    Trusting in the Holy Scriptures, as I do......

    Yes.

    Read, Research, study, Pray, keep on seeking for the truth.

    Possibly, Jehovah will grant you understanding.

    Don't believe everything you hear about Jehovah's servants.

    Or in this case, even see.

  3. There are only two parts of that video that I'm not sure if it is official JW doctrine:

    1) That Jesus appeared in many different bodies post-ressurection.

    2) That Jesus will not appear on earth ever again. It is possible that they believe He will return post-Armageddon.

    Keep researching.... PLEASE! I beg you!

  4. Yes they do think Jesus is Michael. But he can't be.

    Daniel 10:13  But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, ..

    Notice it says ONE of the chief princes. Jesus is not one of many princes.

    Also Jude shows that Michael is not the Lord.

    Jude 1:9  Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

    It is very clear. Jesus is God. Michael is a created angel.

    If you give your heart and soul to a created being. You are not saved. Plain and simple.

  5. That's one of the coolest cartoons I've ever seen.  That's almost as cool as Transformers.

  6. Just to answer your main question, yes we do believe that about Jesus, but I must say that I did look at the link you show and yes, it is disturbing information, but not a fair one!

    I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses and proud to be one and yes, if I was to become unrepentant in something, then I would be disfellowshipped and rightly so!

    I know of a brother that was disfellowshipped and he felt grateful for it because it taught him a lot.  He has been reinstated a long time now!

    It is sad when families have to "ignore" the unrepentant one, but that is not because "the watchtower" say so, it is God's Word that

    specifically outlines these rules.

    As for the ex-brother that was disfellowshipped for molestering children, yes that does go on, but it is certainly not accepted by our society, because Jehovah Himself destests this kind of thing!

    There are many a bad press about us, but it is to be expected and we know why it is happening.

    I know that I have the truth and no body can take that away from me and I love talking to people who want to talk about it.

    Oh, and I do not knock on peoples doors early in the morning and believe it or not if I did and found one person interested, they would be overjoyed at having been disturbed!

  7. The video presents accurately what the JW's believe.  Want more info?  Contact me.

    Christ is God the Son:

    In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word WAS GOD.  John 1:1

  8. Yes.

  9. Arch means ' leader of'.  Angel means 'messenger'.  Michael means 'one like Elohim' --that is, Almighty.  YAHOSHUA is the leader of the messengers.  It seems very likely that the two are the same person.  You would hardly call YHVH (the creator-- See John 1) YAHOSHUA before He entered Mary to be born YAHOSHUA.  When He appeared as a man, He was called Michael.

  10. Jesus is different than all the other angels, although he being the Chief of Angels or Archangel, he is also the ONLY-BEGOTTEN SON of God. The rest of creation are created through Jesus. Jesus is also the Christ,the Word and our Lord. Jesus has a name Immanuel so it is not unreasonable to say that Jesus’ other name is Michael.

    In Heb 1:5-8, it talks about Jesus when he was human and when Jesus was not a spirit. Mark 1:11 for example stated “You are my son” notice the declaration and approval of Jesus as God’s son was first told when he was HUMAN and not when Jesus was a spirit. No other angels are declared and approved as “God’s Son” except Jesus , eventhough the Bible calls these other angels , son of God.

    Jesus can rebuke and not rebuke anytime he wishes. It doesn’t mean that when Jesus rebukes or not, that it will change his identity.

    Jesus can also ask his Father to rebuke Satan, so that is not a proof of Trinity.

    Now, regarding Jesus as the Archangel. Please notice these Bible texts.

    However, the friend of the bridegroom, when he stands and hears him, has a great deal of joy on account of the voice of the bridegroom. John 3:29 – Who owns the voice of the bridegroom? And the one who owns the voice of the bridegroom is the bridegroom himself, isn’t he?

    1 The 4:16 states “because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first.”

    Who has the voice of an archangel who have a commanding call and when the dead hears that archangel’s voice that they in turn was raised up in union with Christ? The owner of that archangel’s voice is Jesus. Notice, Jesus has God’s TRUMPET (singular) and the effect once that trumpet is sounded is that THE DEAD will RISE.

    Just like in John 3:29 , the one with the voice of the bridegroom is the bridegroom himself, so in 1 The 4:16 the one with the voice of the archangel who can raise the dead, is also an archangel.

    Just think of this, if Jesus can be a human, why can’t he be the archangel which means Chief of Angels.

    (Job 38:4,7) When [Jehovah] founded the earth... When the morning STARs [or "angels"] joyfully cried out together, And all the sons of God began shouting in applause

    (Revelation 22:16) I, Jesus... I am the root and the offspring of David, and the BRIGHT morning STAR.

    The Bible doesn’t support the idea of Trinity nor says that Jesus is the Almighty God.

    The Bible also doesn’t use the terms “God-Man” TriUne God, Trinity, Three Persons in One God , Three in One God , TriUne characters of God, and other terminologies that Trinitarians invented. Why do you think you can’t find the word “reincarnation” in the Bible? The reason why you can’t find the word “reincarnation” in the Bible is the same reason why you can’t find the word “Trinity” in the Bible.

    Isa 44:6 states that there is no other God besides him.

    - This is what Jehovah has said, the King of Israel and the Repurchaser of him, Jehovah of armies, ‘I am the first and I am the last, and besides me there is no God.

    This means that there is no other God, who is Almighty, and the Repurchaser. Notice the phrase it used, “I AM” and “ME”. DO you use the phrases “I am” and “ME” for THREE PERSONS? The phrase “I am” is not used for THREE PERSONS and to ONLY ONE PERSON.

    Because it uses the phrase "I am" AND “ME” and “NO GOD BESIDES ME” in Isa 44:6, so there is no room for OTHER persons who are part of God, isn't it? So Isa 44:6 PROVES that God is only ONE PERSON, not THREE

    IF only one person is talking in Isa 44:6 and he said “Besides ME, there is NO GOD” then if there’s still TWO OTHER PERSONS who is God, then you are saying that God is telling a lie.

    God is not a liar, so it is the Trinity doctrine that is wrong.


  11. There is solid proof in Daniel 10:13 there are more than one archangels...

    13 But the prince of the Persian kingdom resisted me twenty-one days. Then Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, because I was detained there with the king of Persia.

    Strong's definition of "archangel"...

    Archangel: 743 ajrcavggeloß Archaggelos (ar-khang'-el-os);

    Word Origin: Greek, Noun Masculine

    from (757) and (32)

    archangel, or chief of the angels

    Vine's definition of "archangel"...

    Archangel

    (1,,743,archangelos)

    "is not found in the OT, and in the NT only in 1 Thess. 4:16 and Jude 1:9, where it is used of Michael NTB , who in Daniel NTB is called 'one of the chief princes,' and 'the great prince' (Sept., 'the great angel'), 10:13, 21; 12:1. Cp. also Rev. 12:7 .... Whether there are other beings of this exalted rank in the heavenly hosts, Scripture does not say, though the description 'one of the chief princes' suggests that this may be the case; cp. also Rom. 8:38; Eph. 1:21; Col. 1:16, where the word translated 'principalities' is arche, the prefix in archangel NTB ." * [* From Notes on NTB Thessalonians, by Hogg and Vine NTB , pp. 142.] In 1 Thess. 4:16 the meaning seems to be that the voice of the Lord NTB Jesus will be of the character of an "archangelic" shout.

    Strong's definition of "prince" also means angel...

    Prince: 8269 rX Sar (sar);

    Word Origin: Hebrew, Noun Masculine

    from (08323)

    prince, ruler, leader, chief, chieftain, official, captain

    chieftain, leader

    vassal, noble, official (under king)

    captain, general, commander (military)

    chief, head, overseer (of other official classes)

    heads, princes (of religious office)

    elders (of representative leaders of people)

    merchant-princes (of rank and dignity)

    patron-angel

    Ruler of rulers (of God)

    warden

    Archangels are chief of angels, princes are also known to be angels, therefore chief princes are archangels. The WBTS writings are false and misleading, but they already do know what Daniel meant for chief princes, they are archangels and Michael is only one of them! There are more than one of them, therefore Gabriel is another one and perhaps even more after him!!!



    This proves that Jesus cannot be an archangel, since there are at least one too many!!! More information on this subject and... Who was the "One" who appeared before Daniel in Daniel 10:5... is very interesting, because JWs will only shrug at the idea of who this One Person might be...

    http://ca.answers.yahoo.com/question/ind...

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    JWs like to use the "great prince" as proof that Michael is higher in rank than all the other angels. Let us look at the words "great man" in the Bible...

    2 Kings 5:1

    [ Naaman Healed of Leprosy ] Now Naaman was commander of the army of the king of Aram. He was a great man in the sight of his master and highly regarded, because through him the LORD had given victory to Aram. He was a valiant soldier, but he had leprosy.

    And compare this with the words "greatest man"...

    Job 1:3

    and he owned seven thousand sheep, three thousand camels, five hundred yoke of oxen and five hundred donkeys, and had a large number of servants. He was the greatest man among all the people of the East.

    If Michael was greater than all the other angels, he would have been called the "greatest prince", not a "great prince". The facts do speak for themselves, in Daniel he was only one of the chief princes, and he was only a great prince!!!

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    Debbie...Did you see Strong's definition of prince? I said prince (ALSO) means angel, not just an angel in the strictest sense! Of course Jesus is the Prince of princes, but look into my question link above and see another JW actually said the Prince of princes is only Jehovah, not Jesus!!!

    Daniel 8:25

    "And through his shrewdnessHe will cause deceit to succeed by his influence;And he will magnify himself in his heart,And he will destroy many while they are at ease.He will even oppose the Prince of princes,But he will be broken without human agency.

    Can you explain how Daniel called Jesus Prince of princes in chapter 8 and then he called him one of the chief princes in chapter 10, if Michael is to be Jesus in your doctrines???

  12. Any cartoon that makes Jesus look like Harvey Birdman is retarded.

  13. You think that's disturbing...Muslims believe Michael is the "angel of weather"!

  14. *** rs p. 218 Jesus Christ ***

    Is Jesus Christ the same person as Michael the archangel?

    The name of this Michael appears only five times in the Bible. The glorious spirit person who bears the name is referred to as “one of the chief princes,” “the great prince who has charge of your [Daniel’s] people,” and as “the archangel.” (Dan. 10:13; 12:1; Jude 9, RS) Michael means “Who Is Like God?” The name evidently designates Michael as the one who takes the lead in upholding Jehovah’s sovereignty and destroying God’s enemies.

    At 1 Thessalonians 4:16 (RS), the command of Jesus Christ for the resurrection to begin is described as “the archangel’s call,” and Jude 9 says that the archangel is Michael. Would it be appropriate to liken Jesus’ commanding call to that of someone lesser in authority? Reasonably, then, the archangel Michael is Jesus Christ. (Interestingly, the expression “archangel” is never found in the plural in the Scriptures, thus implying that there is only one.)

    Revelation 12:7-12 says that Michael and his angels would war against Satan and hurl him and his wicked angels out of heaven in connection with the conferring of kingly authority on Christ. Jesus is later depicted as leading the armies of heaven in war against the nations of the world. (Rev. 19:11-16) Is it not reasonable that Jesus would also be the one to take action against the one he described as “ruler of this world,” Satan the Devil? (John 12:31) Daniel 12:1 (RS) associates the ‘standing up of Michael’ to act with authority with “a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time.” That would certainly fit the experience of the nations when Christ as heavenly executioner takes action against them. So the evidence indicates that the Son of God was known as Michael before he came to earth and is known also by that name since his return to heaven where he resides as the glorified spirit Son of God.

  15. It is common knowledge in the references of many mainline religions that Jesus was known as Michael before he came to earth.

    I knew it when a Methodist.  John Wesley, founder of Methodist religion and Adam Clarke, a big Methodist scholar also knew it.  It is in Wesley's notes and Clarke's Commentary of the Bible.

    Clarke's Commentary online..

    http://www.studylight.org/com/acc/view.c...

    Daniel chapter 10 Comments.

    But lo, Michael

    Gabriel, who speaks, did not leave Cyrus till Michael came to take his place. Michael, he who is like God, sometimes appears to signify the Messiah, at other times the highest or chief archangel. Indeed there is no archangel mentioned in the whole Scripture but this one. See Jude 1:9; Revelation 12:7.

    Clarke on Jude 9..........

    http://www.studylight.org/com/acc/view.c...

    Verse 9. Yet Michael the archangel

    Of this personage many things are spoken in the Jewish writings "Rabbi Judah Hakkodesh says: Wherever Michael is said to appear, the glory of the Divine Majesty is always to be understood." Shemoth Rabba, sec. ii., fol. 104,3. So that it seems as if they considered Michael in some sort as we do the Messiah manifested in the flesh.

    Let it be observed that the word archangel is never found in the plural number in the sacred writings. There can be properly only one archangel, one chief or head of all the angelic host. Nor is the word devil, as applied to the great enemy of mankind, ever found in the plural; there can be but one monarch of all fallen spirits. Michael is this archangel, and head of all the angelic orders; the devil, great dragon, or Satan, is head of all the diabolic orders. When these two hosts are opposed to each other they are said to act under these two chiefs, as leaders; hence in Revelation 12:7, it is said: MICHAEL and his angels fought against the DRAGON and his angels. The word Michael seems to be compounded of mi, who, ke, like, and El, God; he who is like God; hence by this personage, in the Apocalypse, many understand the Lord Jesus.

    Matthew Henry's Commentary

    http://eword.gospelcom.net/comments/dani...

    Michael signifies, "Who is like God," and his name, with the title of "the great Prince," points out the Divine Saviour. Christ stood for the children of our people in their stead as a sacrifice, bore the curse for them, to bear it from them. He stands for them in pleading for them at the throne of grace. And after the destruction of antichrist, the Lord Jesus shall stand at the latter day upon the earth; and He shall appear for the complete redemption of all his people. When God works deliverance from persecution for them, it is as life from the dead. When his gospel is preached, many who sleep in the dust, both Jews and Gentiles, shall be awakened by it out of their heathenism of Judaism. And in the end the multitude that sleep in the dust shall awake; many shall arise to life, and many to shame. There is glory reserved for all the saints in the future state, for all that are wise, wise for their souls and eternity. Those who turn many to righteousness, who turn sinners from the errors of their ways, and help to save their souls from death, james 5:20, will share in the glory of those they have helped to heaven, which will add to their own glory.

    International Standard Bible Encyclopedia at Blue Letter Bible site

    http://cf.blueletterbible.org/isbe/isbe.... Last part of Michael entry

    The earlier Protestant scholars usually identified Michael with the preincarnate Christ, finding support for their view, not only in the juxtaposition of the "child" and the archangel in Re 12, but also in the attributes ascribed to him in Daniel (for a full discussion see Hengstenberg, Offenbarung, I, 611-22, and an interesting survey in English by Dr. Douglas in Fairbairn’s BD).

    John Wesley's Explanatory Notes  Daniel chapter 10

    http://www.biblestudytools.net/Commentar...

    10:5  A certain man - Very probably Christ, who appeared to Daniel in royal and priestly robes, and in so great brightness and majesty.  

    10:13  Michael - Michael here is commonly supposed to mean Christ. I remained - To counter - work their designs against the people of God.

    10:21    Michael - Christ alone is the protector of his church, when all the princes of the earth desert or oppose it.  

    Daniel 12: 1

    12:1  For the children - The meaning seems to be, as after the death of Antiochus the Jews had some deliverance, so there will be yet a greater deliverance to the people of God, when Michael your prince, the Messiah shall appear for your salvation. A time of trouble - A the siege of Jerusalem, before the final judgment. The phrase at that time, probably includes all the time of Christ, from his first, to his last coming.  

    The Jews and their scholars ALSO equate Michael and his standing up with the Messiah on earth in the flesh....so while they don't accept Jesus, they accept Michael as the Messiah.

    Debbie  debbiepittman@yahoo.com

    To the guy who said "Prince" means angel....Hello!!!!  Jesus IS a prince....The Prince of Peace....Isaiah 9:6, 7

    6For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

    7Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

    Daniel 8  also King James

    25And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

    The Messiah, Jesus, is the Prince of princes, the King of kings, Lord of lords.....Jesus is the chief prince, archangel.  His name was Jesus in the NT, Michael in the OT, and something else in the new scroll.  Revelation 3:12  His Father changes his name again for his rulership in the new earth.

  16. The web is full of half - truths and lies about us, so you will find a lot of "disturbing" information on the web. Be careful what you read and watch. There is no belief of ours that is not supported by the bible in numerous scriptures, as I'm sure you've found out from your studying.

    Ever heard the expression "can't see the forest for the trees". Michael being Jesus is a but a minor detail.  The fact remains that Jehovah's kingdom, with Jesus as king, will crush and bring to end all the other kingdoms and he will reward those who endure to the end.  

  17. I am not a JW, but the answer is NO, They are not the same, You have 2 main arch angels, one is Michael & the other is Gabriel, Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

  18. There now you've got your answer JW's believe Christ is a Angel amongst other twisted biblical interpretations they teach.They are not the first to teach this i believe Nestor around 200- 300 AD taught this also and it was called Nestor ism and he was excommunicated for teaching against the teaching's of the Church and Apostles. It's to bad that sects such as the Jehovahs Witnesses have been brain washed so bad that they do not trust historical records of there beginning just as Mormans even tho it is in the court records about Joseph Smith being unable to read a single word of hebrew and the JW's founder selling miracle wheat.There has to be something in there views of the world that allow them to be taken in...

  19. A perversion of Gods Word. The teaching also includes many proclamations of the "end". Many false prophecies.  You will find the verse  John 1:1 has been altered to read as to suit the deception as well. Be careful of false Prophets.


  20.     Yes , and i'll tell you something else , i always knew that even though i was raised in the catholic church ... In all those years i never realized that they believed otherwise when it is written so plainly

  21. yes we believe Jessus is the arch angle michal :)

  22. Jehovah's Witnesses also believe that Jesus is the Lamb of God.

    An animal.  Funny, I haven't heard any complaints.

    Jesus has many names and roles in the Bible.  What's the problem with Michael, which means "Who is Like God."

    Who is more like God than Jesus?

    Anyway, when Jehovah's Witnesses refer to Jesus in our publications and our teachings, you will see that Michael is not prominent.

    For us, the Lord Jesus Christ is pre-eminently the divine (yes, divine) Son of God, our Lord and Savior, and the King of God's Kingdom.

    Jesus obviously has no problem in descending from heaven "with the archangel's call."  (1 Thessalonians 4:16, New Revised Standard Version)  Why use the call or voice of someone inferior to himself?

    And the apostle Paul commended some people who accepted him "as an angel of God, as Christ Jesus."  (Galatians 4:14, New Revised Standard Version)

    Doesn't seem like the Lord is as concerned about this as some people are.

    Of course, if Jesus is also the archangel, it is unlikely that he is also God.

    But the Bible, rightly translated, does not teach that Jesus is God anyway.

  23. Yes, they believe Jesus was Michael

  24. Yeah. Jesus goes by many names. Lord, Christ, Shiloh, Michael

  25. There is nothing in scripture that supports this theory. Jesus is not Michael. and Michael is not Jesus....

  26. Do you mean "Question For JWs?"

    Yes they really believe that Jesus is the Arch Angel Michael.

    The reason why they have to adopt such outlandish and unscriptural ideas is that they refuse to believe in the Divinity of Jesus, and in the Divinity and Personality of the Holy Spirit.  But these are fully revealed in the Bible.

    But as there is no salvation from God in the Jehovah Witness teachings why are you studying with them?  Beware, they can easily lead you astray from the truth as it is in Christ Jesus.

  27. Yes, the Bible never refers to more than one archangel. This verse rather explicitly notes that Jesus has an archangel's voice:

    .. ..(1 Thessalonians 4:14-16) Jesus died and rose again, so, too... the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel's voice

    Should a Christian be troubled at the Bible teaching that Jesus is the "archangel"? No. The Bible also refers to Jesus as an apostle, yet it is beyond obvious that Jesus is higher than any mere apostle. Or high priest for that matter!

    .. ..(Hebrews 3:1) Consider the apostle and high priest whom we confess—Jesus.

    Jehovah's Witnesses do happen to believe that Michael is Jesus, but the idea is hardly central to their faith. It is just that a child can recognize what the Bible says about the idea... Is not Jesus Christ the primary "Seed" who defeats Satan? The Millennial Rule begins with Satan's abyssing, performed by Christ Jesus, and no mere subsidiary. Thus, when Revelation 12:7-9 tells us that "Michael" performs this work, Jehovah's Witnesses are convinced that "Michael" is simply another name for Jesus, just as "Immanuel", "Sprout", "David", and "The Word" are additional names of Jesus (see Matt 1:23 ["Immanuel"]; Zech 6:12 ["Sprout", "Branch", or "Shoot"]; Ezek 37:24,25 ["David"]; Rev 19:13 ["The Word of God"]).

    .. ..(Genesis 3:15) He [the Seed of God's woman] will bruise you [the original serpent Satan] in the head

    .. ..(Revelation 12:7-9) Michael and his angels battled with the dragon... So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan

    .. ..(Revelation 20:1-3) And I saw an angel... And he seized the dragon, the original serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. And he hurled him into the abyss

    .. ..(Revelation 20:6-7) Rule as kings with [Christ] for the thousand years.

    Does the questioner feel compelled to insist that Jesus is above mere angels? Jehovah's Witnesses agree!

    Despite the misconceptions of Christendom, the Bible itself teaches that there is one single solitary archangel, the lone "Chief of the Angels". By definition, every ‘mere angel’ would be lesser than that archangel. Thus, Jehovah’s Witnesses insist that it would be incorrect to believe that Jesus was a mere angel on a par with other angels. Even before he came to earth and was impaled, Jesus the Son enjoyed a position higher than any other creature in existence because of two different reasons.

    Firstly, as the firstborn of creation, Jesus likely spent thousands or millions or billions of years in exclusive association with Jehovah; this unique opportunity allowed Jesus to learn so much that Jesus is spoken of as the "image" and "reflection" and "exact representation" of Almighty Jehovah God.

    .. ..(Colossians 1:15) [Jesus] is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation

    .. ..(Hebrews 1:3) [Jesus] is the reflection of [Jehovah's] glory and the exact representation of his very being

    Secondly, the bible teaches that Jesus worked alongside Jehovah to CREATE the other angels (and the rest of the heavenly and physical universe).

    .. ..(Colossians 1:15-18) By means of him all other things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him and for him. 17 Also, he is before all other things and by means of him all other things were made to exist, 18 and he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning

    .. ..(Revelation 3:14) These are the things that [Jesus] says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God [see 2 Cor 1:20]

    .. ..(Proverbs 8:22) Jehovah himself produced me as the beginning of his way, the earliest of his achievements of long ago.

    .. ..(John 1:1,14) In the beginning [Jesus] was... So [Jesus] became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of undeserved kindness and truth.

    As the agent of creation for the other angels, who better than Jesus to be their "Chief"? Interestingly, the Scriptures refer to *ALL* angelic spirit creatures as "morning stars". Jesus is not excluded from that terminology, but he is elevated by the unique description "the BRIGHT morning star".

    .. ..(Job 38:4,7) When [Jehovah] founded the earth... When the morning stars [or "angels"] joyfully cried out together, And all the sons of God began shouting in applause

    .. ..(Revelation 22:16) I, Jesus... I am the root and the offspring of David, and the BRIGHT morning star. [caps added]

    In summary, it seems beyond debate that the Bible identifies Jesus with the offices of “archangel”, “apostle”, “high priest”, ‘bruiser of the original serpent’, ‘abysser’, "Immanuel", "Sprout", "David”, "The Word", "Chief of the Angels", ‘image of God’, “firstborn of all creation”, “the beginning of the creation by God”, “only-begotten son”, ‘son of God’, ‘morning star’, and “bright morning star”. Is it really a surprise that Jesus is also called “Michael”?

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