Question for feminists who advocate equality?

Question

Ok so you agree that equality is the state of being equal right?

Would you also agree that we should manipulate equitable (fair) treatment to produce a state of being equal?

Here's an illustration of the conflict

Person A gets paid more than person B for doing more work. By definition this is unequal since they are not getting treated the same by one getting a better outcome yet it is clearly equitable (fair) since he deserves more for working harder and is paid accordingly

Similarly person A gets paid the same as person B while still doing more work. This is equal by definition since they are getting treated the same. yet inequitable (unfair) since he deserved more for working harder yet is not paid accordingly.

Finally the ideal situation is they work as hard as each other and get paid the same. Both equal and equitable.

Obviously this almost never happens or feminists wouldn't be raising the problem of lack of equality would they..

Answer 1

Smudgeward is absolutely correct.

Answer 2

Equal rights and equal opportunity can be supported by law.

Equal outcome is not guaranteed, and may not even be desirable.

Humans are competitive by nature, and most of us actually like the possibility that we can outperform the next guy, or die trying (not literally).

In the workplace, some industries will expolit the competitive nature of the worker and pay based on production.  In other occupations, being paid by the hour regardless of productivity is the norm.  People should be aware of company policy before they are hired.

Answer 3

No. Most feminists advocate "equal opportunity," not "equal outcome."

However, opportunities are not always equal. If you are talking about a country (for instance) with a lot of racism, then certain groups may automatically be disadvantaged simply by the color of their skin. How do you go about making things equal for these groups?

Answer 4

Your pay should reflect your work. That's it. If you take on more responsibilities, you should be paid more as well. The issue about pay at work comes from people who have the same job description and do the same work, but one (the man) is paid more than the other (the woman).

People should be judged and paid by their work in the workplace. Not gender, not race, but work.

Answer 5

Situation #2 is Communism. My mother and my grandparents lived through it and it was h**l for them, so I would never wish it on anyone. My idea of equality is opportunity, not output. (Equal output would be nice, but you can't force it.)

Answer 6

I think in order for this country to actually be a free country we should be able to pay people what ever we want no matter who it is. Also we should be able to hire or not hire the people we choose weather they are white, black, blue, woman or man.

We are actually kinda like communists because we have to follow work rules on who we hire and fire or pay the big bucks to.

Answer 7

At Wimbledon they have 'positive' equality, the girls play best of 3 sets in half an hour against mostly v. poor players then get paid exactly the same as the men playing best of 5 sets all day long having beaten all of the best to get there.  You never see feminists agitating for women to be made eligible for the draft when it comes in either...

The words Cake eat and too need incorporation into their creed!

Answer 8

People should be paid based on their value to the business and production, which means most times two individuals will not be "paid the same for doing the same job."

Answer 9

Sorry...are you implying that men work harder than women?