Question for the christians who use the argument: 'how does something come from nothing' in evolution?

Question

The big argument christians often use against evolution, is how does somthing come from nothing? it has to have been created blah blah blah! things dont just appear...

well then answer me this!

If you have some un-coocked raw chicken breast in the fridge, and keep it in the wrapping, and dont use it. After a while you have to throw it away....why? because you know it wouldve gone bad, and it would be swarming with harmful bacteria!!! Tell me..how does this 'bad' bacteria get on the chicken when it is still wrapped in its container?

...the answers, it just forms there, and feeds off the chicken! It comes out of nothing!

So if some forms of bacterica can form out of nothing, why couldnt it of happened all those years ago? and then evolved into what we are today?

Answer 1

The bacteria came from the chicken. Cells divide and conquer. I'm an atheist, buuuuut this is a pretty bad argument. Sorry :[.

Answer 2

i don't believe in evolution..because if we came from monkeys and then monkeys evolve to humans..then where did monkeys came from..then they say that monkeys came from reptiles and then evolve to monkeys..then where did reptiles came from?all things that exist from the beginning is just created by God and does not evolve for anything..

Answer 3

Refrigeration only slows down the bacteria that came with the chicken from other sources. It was always there. God always existed b/c He occupies infinity, the only place u could exist without needing a cause. Then theres real problems with evolution:

Some scientific finds r true but it doesnt mean "all" claims by Scientists/others r true (many dont take time & energy 2 carefully think thru things b4 coming out 4 or against it). Many dont properly take in2 account all it takes 2 create a universe/life (they tend 2 focus on things "seeming" 2 support what they want 2 &/or u 2 believe).

In science we established laws of physics. We can't see actual laws of physics. Rather, we see the results & interpret & apply them in accordance with whats been observed 2 be true thru experiments/calculations. Same is true regarding God. Just b/c we can't see God doesn't mean He doesnt exist.

There may be forensic evidence 4 some micro-evolution & 4 some "appearance" of macro-evolution but most is inconclusive @ best & pure conjecture @ worst. Finding the beginning & reason 4 it all is unattainable by scientific method alone (a billions of years old cold case). We didnt see it take place.

But things in creation show an Intelligent Being was involved or the universe & we wouldnt b here (ignoring where it came from). Standing out r:

1. We have 2 lungs & 2 kidneys - each has a near perfect mirror-image companion organ. No matter how u try 2 explain it away, making a mirror-image organ takes full reverse engineering, knowledge & understanding of its companion's functions & purpose or it cant be created.

2. Our bodies r highly symmetrical from 1 side 2 the other. Its impossible unless 1 has an outside overview position allowing full comprehension of the entire organism (i.e. feather color patterns).

3. We have 2 arms & 2 legs. Each is perfectly designed & precisely engineered 2 work with its mirror-image companion. An outside position is required 2 fully comprehend the whole organism & purpose 4 all parts, 2 create it 2 such perfection.

4. The "being" of a cell is confined 2 within the cell membrane & cant know or b aware of much beyond itself. A cell is magnitudes more intelligent than all humanity & has amazing powers 2 know all of an organism's functions & purpose or it isnt the "brain" behind creation 4 many millions of incredibly diverse species. If evolution had a chance of being the source of creation it would require there only be 2 or 3 "kinds" of different bodies with several related species (it would take many billions of trillions of light years longer than the universe has existed 2 have the slightest chance of producing many millions of species of such incredible diversity)

5. Many cells of an organism never contact others much beyond its tiny cell. Mostly, cells & organisms r just copies of their parents doing about the same things as all ancestors. U wont find a bird whom builds a better nest than their parents & their chicks build even a better nest. U wont find a bear improving his living conditions (or passing them 2 his young). Either a cell has 2 lives - 1 copying their parents & 1 secret life working on improvements or someone of greater intelligence than all mankind created everything.

6. Others point 2 DNA (or RNA in the 1rst organisms). But a cell needs DNA 2 function & DNA cant function without a cell. So, we have a which came 1rst a cell or DNA problem. Without 1rst having great intelligence, full knowledge & understanding of how an organism is constructed it cant be created. If an ape finds a combination lock he wouldnt know what it was & even if he turns the dial over & over again he wouldnt know what he was doing & the chances against getting it right is astronimical - especially if it had 150 or more no. 2 find in the right order & even if he got that far he still wouldnt know what a lock is 4.

A cell has little "inteligence" & DNA is much more complex than a combination lock (especially in higher life forms) so the odds against figuring out & using DNA (in the correct sequence) is many magnitudes higher than 4 a lock). RNA/DNA r building blocks common to all life - having 98% of other species' DNA doesnt prove evolution. DNA like a computer code (but more complex) requires great intelligence 2 identify & assign its proper order - its useless unless u understand it. Give a book to an ape. Its useless to him as he cant learn from whats written - intelligence is required.

7. In the fossil record we dont find millions of trial & error organisms that should exist if natural selection or fittest survivor is the source of creation (no organisms existed be4). The odds r so great against near perfection happenning 4 many millions of greatly diverse species, it couldnt take place unless 1 had full knowledge & understanding of what theyre doing BEFORE millions of organisms could be created 2 such precision. If not true millions of misfit organisms with mistakes, having only 1 or 3 eyes in odd places, 1 leg growing out of a head or where an arm should be or a fin where a leg should be should exist. Millions more misfit fossils should exist than of the perfection found in nature.

8. U won't find species like a horse mating a goat, a frog mating fish, a rabbit mating an otter, a lizzard mating a bird, a cow mating a hog, etc. Species with similar genes/characteristics rarely mate in the wild. Only a few succeed @ bearing young. Its very rare that a wild crossbreed/hybrid reaches maturity or can bear over 1 litter (usually that litter cant produce or has complications that kills off the crossbreed). Only human intervention brings more success but even that has lead 2 some bad results.

9. Evolution processes being "the" source of all creation would be like having a blind man build a car he's never heard of, seen, touched, heard or rode in. It cant be done without 1rst teaching him about the functions, necessary parts & how 2 put it all together so the car will function.

10. Look @ the huge amount of intelligence, knowledge, understanding, time & energy used 2 create & constantly improve an airplane's capabilities (& many mistakes). If people didnt fully learn what 2 do we'd still be earthbound.

11. Creation is astronomically more complex than any airplane. The more complex an organism, the greater the amount of intelligence, knowledge & understanding needed 2 create it. It can only be done by an Intelligent Designer who already fully understands what He's doing - the sheer complexity of man is evidence of God (airplanes show we're created in God's image - God had 2 be the source of all creation or it couldnt exist let alone evolve).

12. An incredibly Intelligent Being, capable of building a universe, would know the environment His earthly organisms are 2 occupy. So, He built in adaptability so His organisms could survive various earthly environments.

13. Earth happens to be in the best possible orbit 2 support life. It has the right amount of gravity, the right axis & rotation speed, the right atmosphere & needed amount of water. The moon's the right size & in the right orbit 2 provide tidal cycles needed by organisms. Just 1 or 2 relatively small variants in our orbit/envirnment & most likely life would be very different & higher forms of life wouldve died off in a relatively short time, if they couldve survived.

So, believing evolution's "the" cause of the universe & many millions of incredibly diverse species, takes a huge amount of faith (u must ignor the problems listed above). But if 1 is fair minded u might realize its more plausible that God designed, engineered & created everything.

Theres many religions, built on what man wants God 2 be like & most made many mistakes (many fatal). I realized they cant all be right (Theres 1 Bible - why so many interpretations? II Pet 1:**19-21). I found religion wont teach u much about God (they cant teach what they don't know). This doesnt mean God doesnt know what He's doing.

The main point many miss is Jesus Christ is the only 1 in history whom stated that He's "the" way, "the" truth & "the" life & no 1 gets 2 God except by Him (Jn 14:6; 5:39; 10:1,7; Acts 4:12) & is the only 1 whom came from God. Its fully true or theres no truth & cant be any God (He knows what He's doing or He's not God).

Since Jesus is the only way 2 know God, it means "the" whole truth was complete & finished thru Jesus' teaching. So any claimed new teaching & any other religious beliefs or from self-proclaimed prophets & teachers r null & void & have no purpose 4 finding God. God always knew all Jesus was 2 speak & do.

In fact, Jesus couldnt have done nor said all He did unless He had full knowledge & understanding of the entire OT (the NT didnt exist in Jesus' time - the only way Jesus could've known the whole OT is if God's with Him) & the Apostles couldnt remember & write whats in the NT unless Jesus made them remember His purpose (Lk 24:25-27,45). Only an incredibly Intelligent Being could make it happen.

But God outsmarted man - the Bible is the only 1 that cant be properly understood without Jesus (Jn 14:6; II Cor 3:14 - If the Jewish people cant pierce the veil over the OT without Jesus then for sure all gentiles cant). Thats why theres many interpretations & many thinking its fairytales.

Whoever seeks Jesus with all his heart & soul will find our real God & His Kingdom (u shall know the truth & itll set u free). But, why should God want u 2 live with Him forever if u dont want 2 know Him (reason 4 free will)?

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Answer 4

Sorry, you fail.  This is an argument from ignorance.  You're not really creating something out of nothing -- just letting living things breed.

What happens:

- There are already some bacteria in the chicken when you buy it.  They are eating it and having babies.  You do not notice this happening because they are so tiny.

- You put the chicken in the refrigerator.  This slows down the rate at which the bacteria breed.  Yes, even germs can get too cold to s#@g!

- You cook the chicken.  This kills off many, but not all of the bacteria.

- You let the cooked chicken cool down enough to eat.

- Any bacteria that managed to survive the cooking process now have a chance to breed -- and plenty of freshly-cooked food and no competition!

- Your body's immune system can only fight off so many bacteria at a time; so if any more of them can sneak in while your white blood cells are fully occupied, you're going to be riding the porcelain bus to trotsville.

Answer 5

Honey, Christians know nothing of biology... and you're trying to teach them about microbiology?

That's too much for them to comprehend.

Answer 6

I believe it was Louis Pasturer who proved bacteria does not come out of nothing.  

Answer 7

No offence, but you really need to flesh out your argument.  Of course the bacteria is already there.  The problem with Christian arguments that you mention is that it is THEY who believe if it's not God, then it must be nothing.  Science does not claim that everything came from nothing.

Try asking them if anything has ever been observed to be created from nothing?

  Especially considering the 'law of conservation' - energy (ergo matter) cannot be created or destroyed.

The argument for Creationism breaks down when faced with a law of physics that shows the very building block of everything (energy) cannot be created or destroyed.

Which tends to make me believe it was always there.  Which is what they say about God.   But where did the 'extra' energy come from to inspire 'god's '  suspiciously human mind?

Huh, huh?

Answer 8

In my opinion Christians should be required to read the relevant wikipedia article before ignorantly posting questions.  Too bad they don't, otherwise they wouldn't be idiotic young earth creationists.

Answer 9

Oh right...why didn't any body think of THAaaat?

Bacteria can come out of nothing and evolved into . . . us. Your Doctorate is waiting to be collected genius. Cluck cluck.

Answer 10

So much wrong here but answer this if the Chicken was not here in the first place would the bacteria be there?:

Evolution is a theory Just like your one and it too falls flat with reason and logic alone, never mind applying real science to disprove it.

Answer 11

I don't think they come from nothing. The bacteria that forms already exsted on the chicken, or in it. However I agree with you. It is a flawed argument, becasue if nothing can come from nothing, then what did god come from? He can't have made himself cause he didn't exis yet. And it can't be he was here forever because he had to have a beginning.So whats the answer? Which came first, the chicken or the egg? God or the universe? There are no answers to these quesion, or at least none we are going to find here. My answer? Don't think about it too much, i will make your head spin

Oh and can I just say for those who use the 'nothing comes from nothing' argument against evolution, evolution does not statethat. It says that random mutation and genetic recombination create enough variation, that different things can be created over time. Nothing came from nothing. If you were to be arguing about the big bang theory you might have some credit but here it doesn't work.

Answer 12

The same principle is at work in every situation where there used to be someone/something alive, but now not anymore; One of the "programs" that God have put in this world.

Answer 13

stop being silly

the bacteria was always there

and decay doesn't happen i a fridge because its to cold

and the air in the cotainer might cantain microbes

do more research

and i believe in the big bang theory which works with the bible way and works scientifically

Answer 14

To be an objective –

Yes to be an Atheist doesn’t automatically mean to be a clever

Answer 15

Perhaps you still believe that vermin and maggots still come from rotting meat. You may want to study some real science before posting stuff like this. Look up the following names:

Francisco Reddi

Louis Pasteur

These guys debunked your claims hundreds of years ago.

Please, don't come back here until you have something worth sharing. Your arguments are embarrassing your fellow atheists.