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Question to the science experts and evolutionists - do you still personally think there may be a higher power?

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I mean, God...but not a bearded man. Maybe God, the imageless infinite intelligent mind, is Energy itself? Seeing Energy has always existed, right???

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  1. i don't think it's a higher power. firstly it's not higher it's intrisinic it's basic and secondly it's not an excercisable power it's passive not active it's an unfolding event containg an underlying pattern of improvement. to flow with it you need only BE.

    when the c**p hits the fan and others are praying you will find those like me answering prayers (probably with a cloth and some 'poo-zap')

    The religious in the knowledge that thier prayers got answered will later give God the credit for my and other good men's actions. the higer power the religious refer to is 'the actions of good men'


  2. Anything is possible, I suppose. I personally don't think so, I think God is more of an entity than pure energy, but what do I know? I've never seen God before.

  3. Sure...

    Genesis only says "what God did"...

    It doesn't say a word about "how He did it."

    If you are uncomfortable with "God"...

    How about "the Absolute?"

    BTW: With a question like "Might there be...."

    It is UNSCIENTIFIC to say "No" without scientific proof.

    "It is impossible" is a statement of faith!

  4. yes

    the bible and a science book are very close linked all the close mindedness was the curch think about it genisis god created light science there was a big bang wich made light the 7 days thing is just a way to brake it down

    I mean think about it the fibonacci sequence if evolution is so random why is it that everything follows that sequence and just look at atoms if they the electron moved slightly slower matter would collapes

    so i think god does exiced yet he is a being as such more a infinite intelligence in another dimention other wise who made the ball of matter at the beggining of the universe

  5. The answer to the question "might there be a higher power" has to be yes.  Since the existence of God can never be disproved, I really can't fathom answering that it's impossible.  Otherwise I'd look just as silly as the scientists in the 13th century that believed the Earth was flat because there was no evidence that it was round.  I prefer to keep an open mind, especially since I believe it's feasible that we might be able to create a universe one day.  If we can do it, who's to say that we aren't the result of some creation?

    Anyway, since you asked for my own personal belief, yes, I believe the universe was designed.  For what purpose, I cannot say, though it seems to be extremely good at solving problems through a combination of evolution and brute force.  So maybe we are all part of a big genetic problem solver.

  6. no

    I have seen no good reason to believe that.

  7. there could be but i still think no

    because we do not have prove & becuz that is my relegen to beleve only 1 god and that is what i beleve

  8. I'm sure I don't qualify as an expert on evolution, but I am in physics grad school and have taken a vast amount of science courses, so I hope that compensates...

    Anyway, my "from-the-gut" answer is "no". I do no think there is a higher power like God. When I was young I naturally believed in a God - it was the simplest, most dominant, and I must admit, comforting, idea around.

    But when I grew up the inconsistencies of the idea of God with how the world worked built and built until one day it all pieced together and I saw how absurd the idea was.

    I don't mean that in a disrespectful way, it is an absurdity one only sees in hindsight and only after a long time considering the facts of nature. I'm not sure if that helps...

    There are too many scientific facts that helped convince me. It is something you must study and see if it confirms or denies you convictions.

    But I won't leave you empty-handed. I'll help by clarifying some misuses of certain fundamental ideas.

    Let me first address the misuse of the idea of "energy".

    Energy is a mathematical physics concept that has be romanticized beyond its area of applicability. Energy is a mathematical formula, an invention, a useful calculation, that helps scientists describe the state of an object accurately enough to solve problems.

    It is a derived quantity (mass-times-velocity-squared), i.e. it is a combination of measurable properties of real objects, namely mass and velocity. It is used to described how much work (another physics quantity) can be done by a physical system.

    Somehow, this concept has been extended to actually being a real, physical entity - even scientists in the past have made this mistake - and countless more have anthropomorphized it to having a conciousness and sentience.

    Let us be clear: physical objects like atoms and photons are real. Energy, an abstract mathematical-physical concept, is not physically real. Let us not use an idea where it is not meant to be used - this will cause more confusion, wrong thinking, and false ideas.

    The other thing is the careless use of the word "infinite". If people actually took time to analyze the reprecussions of an infinite anything, let alone mind, they would find glaring impossibilities at every point.

    One example is this: the universe is infinite in space and time. The universe is filled with stars. Thus there must be infinite stars and the entire sky should be filled with the light of these stars since there was infinite time for the light to cross infinite space and reach us. Clearly we do not physically live in a universe with infinite space and time.

    Another problem is what is our definition of God?

    Does a God have to create the whole universe (which begs the question of how God was created without resorting to "eternal" and "inifinite")? or is creating humans enough?

    Does God have limitless power? If so, we're getting into infinities again. If not, then how limited?

    What do you really mean by imageless? What is an image? How is it formed? Is it the same thing as being undetectable? If you detect something can you form an image? Can something physically exist and not have an image? Do photons have an image? How do we detect them, then?

    Science, fortunately or not, has been stripping away the physical world away from God. Almost everything in the universe has been explained. The only truly inexplicable event is the origin of the universe - but even this has been limited to a few solutions, ie.. if God created the universe, God must follow certain rules in creating it.

    Funny thing, these rules are purely mathematical and NO ONE can break them. How do you break an abstract concept like "2+2=4"? It's unbreakable. '2", "+", "=", and "4" have absolutely precise definitions. There is no ambiguity. There is no way God can make "2+2=5" without changing what"2" or "+" or "=" or "5"  means.

    It's ideas like these along with scientific facts - not to mention that every atom in the universe seems to be following these facts - that leads me to believe that God is simply an abstract idea - our first one - to explain the universe and ourselves. It has been a nice seat-filler. Now science has arrived and it's time to retire that idea and move on to one that is more complex, intellectually fulfilling, and emotionally  - or, as some would say, "spiritually" - satisfying.

    Hope that helps.

  9. Since you posed this question in the context of a Physics forum, I assume that your real question is whether Science can answer such a question.

    The objective of Science is to find the smallest set of assumptions (axioms and rules) that explain all that is observed. The notion of a higher power is not within the scope of Science to answer since the "higher power" cannot be verified by experiments in a repeatable manner.

    If you were expecting a more substantial answer, I would suggest that you study Philosophy (not specific religious texts), since philosophers have grappled with such questions for a long time. Humans have always longed to connect with their origins. If you do this diligently, and use your mind, you are likely to come to an answer that leaves you satisfied.

  10. No, I don't see any evidence for a god.  Energy is not a thing, it's not a noun; it's the ability to do work.  If you're imagining some swirling pink cloud out there and calling it energy, you've been watching too much Star Trek.

  11. No.

    I do not believe there is a sentient entity that created the universe.

    Edit: why not? Because there is nothing that makes me say "Gee, I can only explain this through the deliberate act of an all mighty, omniscient entity, to the exclusion of anything else".

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