Quranites: When did you first start doubting the validity of the man-made sunnah?

Question

To me it seemed fairly clear from the start when I saw the scientific errors and contradictions. I thought if I want to follow a religion that relies on errors, I can find that in any religion.

When and how did you first start doubting all these things?

Answer 1

my friend Shah told me about certain things,which i didnt believe him at first ,but the facts he gave me compelled, me to varify from Glorious Quran,therefore i read Glorious Quran several times,and found out these so called imams,such as bukhary,taimiyah,trimdhi,muslim,nessai,h... were all wrong,Islam in Glorious Quran is TOTALLY different from the islam these false imams have presented in their books..

Glorious Quran rightly says over 75 times,to establish Salat,but strange Glorious Quran is silent about ,how to pray Salat.that would be utter injustice if Allah commanded us to pray salat over 70 times in Glorious Quran and didnt tell us how and when > but Allah Allmighty Says ,he Allmighty doesnt do injustice ,and that the Glorious Quran is Complete/detailed/and perfect,and also there is no contradiction in Glorious Quran and Allah Allmighty is not forgetful either !!!

then what went wrong ? hmmmm ,something is not right,there is some error somewhere ,,but where ?? Allah says Quran is Perfect ! and a perfect thing CAN NOT have any error ..then question is where is THE ERROR !!

the error is in our understanding ,the error is in our approach,the error is in our practices ,

we do not see any error in our practices but majority believe Glorious Quran is NOT DETAILED !!

Salat in Glorious Quran is made so very simple,so very easy that one can not understand it !! it is so very clear that we overlook it .

there are only 2 things

1) one does not understand (which is understandable)

2) one doesnt want to understand (this is not understandable)

which category you fall in !

be honest to yourself !!

Answer 2

after studying Glorious Quran

Some say we need the hadith to explain the Quran because the Quran is too difficult to understand. Why do people who find it difficult to understand a single volume of God's revelation feel it necessary to refer to 50 volumes of hadith books for clarification! Would God reveal a message so difficult to understand, yet expect people to follow it? This does not make sense. Furthermore, God tells us in the Quran many times: "we made the Quran easy to learn, does any of you wish to learn?" (54:17, 22, 32, 40) Doesn't God know what He is talking about? Doesn't He know His creatures' abilities? . ..

Answer 3

I was a very inquisitive and reasoning person since my very childhood.

You may assume that since I was raised in a strict Sunni faith, I was biased to Islam. But the fact is that it was not so. I think I was fortunate to get a better start. I was admitted in a Protestant Missionary school and thus was exposed to Christianity. Since we watched a lot of hindi movies, therefore Hinduism was not alien to us.

But somehow, both Christianity and Hinduism failed the models of God that I built for my reasoning and understanding. While I was searching for the most inquisitive answers, I stumped over the Surah Ikhlaas. I accidentally got the meanings of these verses and somehow I felt this is what I was looking for all along.

Thus Islam did fit well. There were a few concepts that could not get explained in the begining to me (at the age of about 7-8 yrs.) and that was the eternal nature of God. But then this was something that could not be explained by any other religion either.

In any case, I was somehow good at studies and finished my recitation of the Quran very early. In about a years time, I completed it about 2 times. Then I decided to study the meaning of the Quran. I was anxious to know its meanings. I studied it to as good extent as I could. But since I was very young (<10 yrs), I couldn't understand most of it. But somehow it left a very lasting impression in my mind.

When I got exposed to the swarm of Hadith, I could clearly feel the HIGH contrast between the tone and subjects of Hadith to the tone and the subjects and practical nature of the Quran (from the impression that it left on my mind). But I had to accept it as I knew nothing else, but that these were the words of prophet (atleast that was what was enforced on me at that time, and I had no means to investigate).

Then something happened in my life. I have a tendency, that when something bad happens, I go to the Quran. So I opened the Quran again in 1988 (when I was about 21-22 years old). This time, I studied it with a very mature mind and with a lot of thinking on the verses. But I was reading a VERY corrupt translation. The amazing thing about the Quran is that, if you read a corrupt translation, you will always see some very obvious contradictions. It was a matter of days that I realized that the translation is corrupt. But I had no choice as it was the only translation at home. I however, would sometimes compare some of the verses from other translations that were available at my University.

There were a NUMBER of things that I discovered during my 4 years of study of the Quran (1988 - 1992). Two of the very prominent ones were:

1-  I discovered that Pharaoh and the Egyptian nation, DID believe in EVERY fundamental of Islam e.g. One God, Prophets, Scriptures, Day of Judgement, God's retribution etc.

2-  The matter of "Satanic verses" or injection of verses (ACCORDING to Hadith) while the verses regarding the three goddesses "Al-Laat, Munaat, & Uzza" came down.

I was more than convinced that there is SOMETHING VERY VERY BADLY wrong with the ORGANIZED Islam. I was specially very very furious at the point, why the scholars do not reject the Hadith, which is the cause of so much trouble and hardly any help.

Time passed. One day, one of my friends (also a Quranite now), told me that he read some books of a scholar in Lahore (Ghulam Ahmed Pervaiz). And he gave me a very brief of what the scholar has exposed about the origin and the baselessness of Hadith. It was as if a call from inside me. I at onced broke out to him and immediately said, that scholar is d**n RIGHT. He is a truthful person. d**n the organized Islam I dont care. He is right.

Somehow, I did not get the opportunity to study those books at that time (although I wanted to). I was busy in my carreer and my job. I got married and a few years later I got posted in a remote city.

I was employed in a very good position and in a very good co. But the politics had started killing me. I could not be a part of it and I could not support the evil. And I could not survive being clean. It happened that I developed a yet again tendency to study the Quran (as times got tough on me).

This time, I was out in the market to find all the translations that I could. But before I really got the translations, I got two books of the same scholar. And guess what, one of the books was the same i.e. regarding the Hadith. It was indeed a MASTER PIECE. But as I went through it, I grew PARANOID. I could feel the IMMENSE magnitude of the CONSPIRACY of Hadith. The feeling was indescribable. It was as if, if I would have seen a clergy person, I probably would have beaten him to unconsciousness.

Feeling the IMMENSE defacing by Hadith. It became SO VERY important for me to check out, EVEN The very basics that we never bothered to check. I had come across the number 19 theory several years back (almost 15 years ago). And I knew that the person who had discovered it, was translating the Quran. I somehow, was convinced that the first thing I need is the best and the most neutral translation.

Fortunately it did not take me long to get to it. It was "Rashad Khalifa". At that point , I did not know that he had claimed to be a messenger. I just downloaded his software and started off without reading any appendices. I was taken aback by the flow of the translation and how everything was making the sense in absolutely the right direction.

As I went further and further, I noticed, that in a few places RK had put a start and in the footnote or in the braces had put his name. Also I noticed that he was mentioning something like "Messenger of Covenant". This was the point when, I pulled out his appendices and came to know that He was claiming himself as a messenger.

I felt such an aversion, that I just deleted the software. I came back home. I failed to sleep the whole night. My eyes were closed but my mind was awake like the day. I said to myself, I have acted in PRECISELY the same way as the paste nations did.

So I went back, and this time, I was searching the net, for ALL the material that could go AGAINST RK. I was searching for something in his history etc. It took me only two days, to find out an image of a cutting of newspaper, stating that he had raped a girl of 16 year old.

I was so satisfied, that I wounded up from the office early and came back home, telling myself that I have got, what I wanted e.g. the guy is a cheat and a liar.

Again I failed to sleep for two nights. All the days and nights a though constantly haunted me. This time it was, that such cases are NOT enough to prove someone wrong. Even I myself, can frame someone or setup someone, with such charges for just under 1000 US$. And he was framed in USA where the moral values are so deteriorated that many girls will  willingly accuse someone falsely ONLY to get fame.

So this is NOT enough. Now I got back to work and this time I wanted to find the problem with his message / teachings. and his evidence. As it turned out that I applied the MOST stringent and the strictest possible tests that I could anticipate against "RK"s message and evidence. In TWO weeks time I was exhausted to the limits. Day in and night out, EVERY test that I applied, Rashad Khalifa passed and his message did stand out.

At the end of two weeks I broke down and felt in prostration during my salat weeping and crying loud in my room in isolation for several tens of minutes. I cannot describe what happened to me. I felt like a traitor in front of God. I felt that I was doubting the Truth, so very much and had been resisting it for more than 34 years of my life. Although the truth was EXACTLY and PRECISELY as per my model, yet I deleted the software and acted arrogantly when it first came to me. I acted so badly, JUST because of the idols of Mohammad etc.

I just cannot describe all this........... Now here I am after more than 6 years of this incident, proud and confident that I have certainly reached the Truth. The truth that restores to God what belongs to him. And in fact, it is for our own salvation, otherwise he is MUCH TOOOOO high, to have any concern. Yet he is a loving and caring God. It is indeed his mercy that he has blessed us with yet another chance and chances. And indeed it is his blessing that he grants us our guidance. We cannot get it on our own.

Glory be to God, Most high.

All praise belongs to Him Alone.

"God Alone, Quran Alone"

@Edit:

I have skipped MANY MANY details in the account. I also studied the extremely horribly Hadiths at my University Library. I started wondering, that most of the muslims are either 1) Blind,  2) Retarded  3)  Unbearably stupid  4) Cruel etc. etc. to 1) Believe such Hadith,  2) Call Mohammad even a normal person, if they really believe these Hadiths.

Answer 4

The great and eminent scholars like Bukhari and Muslim have done an exhaustive research and investigation in each of the hadiths to determine their authenticity, and only when they were completely satisfied, they recorded these hadiths in their ‘Sahih’ or Book of Authentic Hadiths

They investigated each aspect of the saying or deed whether it was in conformity with the Quran or not, for it is inconceivable for a believer to assume that the Messenger of Allah (saws) would have done or said anything against the dictates of the Quran. Then they thoroughly checked and investigated the chain of narrators to see whether they were truthful people or not, or whether one who claimed to have heard it from the other was alive at the same time or not, and if alive, did they ever meet each other or not! If there was even a slight doubt in any event or chain of events, these eminent scholars refused to accept the hadith as authentic.

Even after all their exhaustive efforts and thorough investigations, it is impossible to claim, nor does anyone ever claim, that each and every hadith in their collection of ‘sahih’ is absolutely authentic!!

What concerns us first and foremost is the guidance and the teachings in the Holy Quran. There is absolutely no doubt in the mind of any believer that these are the very words of Allah Subhanah. The Sunnah of the Prophet (saws) is the way he followed the commandments of the Holy Quran in a practical way and showed his companions and believers to act accordingly. To follow the way and example of the Prophet (saws) is a commandment of the Holy Quran Chapter 33 Surah Al Ahzaab verse 21: There is indeed the best example or model for you (to follow) in the Messenger of Allah, for every such person who looks forward to Allah and the Last Day, and remembers Allah much.

For example: The Quran says ‘establish Prayer’, but does not give other details of the number of rakah, etc. This the Prophet (saws) showed us practically by praying five times a day for a number of years in front of thousands of believers.

Another example is that the Prophet (saws) kept a beard, and instructed the believers to grow a beard. Thus keeping a beard is regarded as Prophet Mohamed (saws) Sunnah. In other words, Sunnah is the way of the Prophet Mohamed (saws).

he Hadith is only a record of the acts or words of the Prophet (saws), written down by some muslims 120 years after the Prophet’s (saws) death, for reference to future generations.

The reason we pray the five prayers or the 3 rakahs of magrib prayers today, is not because they are recorded in the hadiths of Bukhari or Muslim, but because hundreds of thousands of the believers saw the way or Sunnah of the Prophet (saws) and followed it.

Because the hadiths were recorded by man, they are prone to error. Not every hadith recorded is genuine. In fact a lot of them are fabrications and may have been recorded by people with political or material bias

A lot of un-scrupulous people wrote a lot of slander and false statements and said the Prophet (saws) said or did this. These people might have had any number of agendas, be it political, or material, or otherwise. If one wrote that the Prophet (saws) said this or that, it does not mean by any means that the Prophet (saws) actually said or did those things. If the saying or act goes against any of the four principles or laws laid above, chances are that the hadith is a fabrication and should be rejected.

Answer 5

I've always felt like something was greatly amiss in Islam but it was only during my uni yrs that i seriously looked and searched for Islam, i was beaten up once by a group of muslim boys for merely suggesting that in Islam violence is not the answer after another incident in which some guy was attacked for purportedly disrespecting some other guy reciting the Quran and the whole uni went against me . Imagine that , beaten up for saying that violence is unIslamic , that experience really opened my eyes i realized truely that that is how insane sunni muslims are .They're nuts. No kidding.  They will stone you to death .I was a non-practicing muslim for years bcos no one could answer my questions and tried as as hard as i could to force myself to believe in Sunni Islam out of sheer faith in God but it just didn't make any sense and i just couldn't be muslim and be irrational at the same time . As far as i'm concerned islam must be congruent with logic .

I did my research and then yrs later came to be someone who only believes in Quran , i'm not a even a good muslim , i try but like h**l i'm ever gonna follow sunni Islam , that would drive me insane and i'm insane enuff.

Study the history of Hadith , the concept of Sunnah was a creation of Imam Shafie who suspiciously came up with the idea after being recruited under Harun al Rashid's, the expansionist, patronage and this is 250 yrs after Prophet Muahammad's death . Knowing that gave me the proof i needed to completely abandon Hadith in toto.