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Cumbria rail crash?

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There was a piece of track missing from the points that caused the crash does anyone think it was terrorists that caused it

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  1. Pure, lazy maintenance crew, well known in the railway systems.


  2. No, just idiocy. A terrorist would have done something that ensured a train derailed. Hundreds of trains had passed over that bit track before, that train was just unlucky.

  3. I sincerely hope not and I also hope that it wasn't the local maintenance men. It could have been local yobs. Whoever it was let's hope that the incident isn't repeated

  4. i very much doubt it . lets just wait for the results of the investigation. We now have an idea of what happened but it is just as important to know why

  5. No.

    The boss of Network Rail, John Armitt, has admitted responsibility for this event.  He wouldn't do that unless he was sure no-one else was to blame.

    Another reason the railways are unlikely to become a target for terrorists, is that such organisations are after mass casualties, which generate worldwide coverage.

    Of course sympathies must go to the one fatality and injured in this crash, but is has proven that even if a train leaves the tracks at 90 mph, the safety systems are now so good, that deaths and injuries are minimal (compared to a road vehicle, for example).

    Let's not give the terrorists the oxygen of publicity - whether they are responsible or not.

  6. No

  7. No, I don't beleive terrorists were involved in this

  8. If it was terrorism the rail network would be forced to a complete stop.  If it was negligence - the person responsible should be publicly shot...

  9. no just negligence,i shouldn't say that really until after the inquiry.

  10. No way. If, God forbid, terrorists wanted to attack the rail network, they would do it in a far more spectacular fashion - just use your imagination. And also terrorists tend to be urban creatures. Somehow I cannot see them stumbling around muddy fields in Cumbria in the middle of winter and then unscrewing some nuts and bolts. No, subject to what any inquiry may find out, I suggest it was down to sheer bad workmanship and lack of pride in the job.

  11. Most unlikely.

    Terrorists tend to seek the maximum disruption for their effort.

    The removal of a spreader bar (NOT a piece of track, as suggested by the questioner) in the Lake District could only affect a single train.

    If terrorists were behind this, then they would have targeted something like one of the "throat" approaches to Birmingham New Street or the high-speed line through Ashford International.

    In any case, the other two spreader bars were clearly corroded - even terrorists cannot manufacture that!

    The cause of the crash is negligence.

  12. I doubt it, what annoyed me was they had footage of the dodgy track but said they dont usually do anything about it unless it causes a problem. A bit like shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted dont you think!

  13. ;local vandals

  14. It has been established that the cause of the derailment was a set of points that were faulty. The blame lies entirely with Network Rail, the body responsible for track maintenance.

  15. Bit over the top mate, I am sure they would have done worse than de-rail a train in Cumbria!! They explained it on the news, the bar that was missing was away getting duplicated to replace the bar they had taken away to duplicate! Honestly!

  16. i dont think so.  i think it was a mistake made by the maintinance people.  if it was terrorists it would of probably been on the east coast main line which would of caused more disruption then the westcoast line.if it was a terriost attck it wasn't very good
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