Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Weird Genealogy Question...?

Question

OK. hypothetical question...

Let's say Mary Lou has a son, George.

George's testicles drop, and Mary Lou hasn't reached the stage in life in which she can no longer bear children.

Let's say, for some disgusting, hillbilly reason, George impregnates his mother.

What relation is the child to George.

Or vice versa...?

let's say a man impregnates his daughter. what relation to the baby to it's mother's father. Grandparent, Uncle, Father, what?

Or in George and Mary Lou's case, Grandmother, Aunt, Mother what?

My reason for asking is because a few friends of mine were discussing this, and I only got the gist of their argument.

Which is, "What relation is he?"

Weird, I know...

Answer 1

Strange question...and somewhat desturbing but her it goes:

Mary Lou and George's son (lets call him Frank)

Mary Lou would be Frank's mother/paternal grandmother

George would be Franks half-brother and father

I think...and again...yuck

Answer 2

Legally, George and Mary Lou are only recognized as father and mother of the child. All the rest is a little family history that could get Mary Lou in some hot water, but has no other definition. She's not really the child's mother AND grandmother, nor is George truly father AND brother. Legitimately, you can only recognize one of the relationships when many lines connect people--and that's the closest, most direct relationship.

I had a situation where my niece from one line married my cousin from another line. It made figuring out where to sit during the wedding a little funky, but in the end we were only related once over to their kids...as aunt and uncle. Strangely enough, the law has defined these things for inheritance and legal representative status if someone becomes incapacitated.

Answer 3

errrrrrrr.  You are right, weird.

Putting judgement aside... the answer is that the relationship is not limited to being one or the other, or correct/ incorrect (aside from morally).

The child is George's son.. the child is his brother.  Both relationships apply.  No special name for this, at least in genealogy.  lol

Think I'll bow out gracefully too and go cook dinner.

Answer 4

It certainly does not have to be any hillbilly reason since this has happened everywhere.  Generally incestuous relationships result in children who have a brother-father, mother-sister or some such relationship.  Or Mom is also aunt and dad is also uncle.

For me  is is back to the wholesome "Cops" and the people they chase on Tru TV.

Answer 5

ooooooook. well um i think that george would be the father/brother and the mother would be the mother /grandmother

Answer 6

Genealogically, the children of an incestuous relation have many relations. George and his son by his mother Mary Lou are father/son but they are also half brothers.

The child of a man and his daughter is both son and grandson to the incestuous father.

Normally you get two or more relations when cousins marry. Then people are, for instance, second cousins and first cousins once removed and, since their ancestors married cousins too, fourth cousins twice removed.

Legally, as the warm, witty wise and devilishly handsome lady above me said first, only the closest relation counts.

People who commit incest are not likely to have sizable estates or titles that can be inherited (Donald Trump and the Duke can both dally with the servants if they feel the urge; no need to bother the daughter) so the genealogical vs. legal distinction rarely rears its ugly head.