Right fold or wrong fold.?

Question

OK i was in a 1-2 no limit cash game in the BB. I had about 300 dollars at the time ( i bought in for 175) . The button is a very loose aggresive player who has bluffed but has also shown down the nuts in some spots. The action is folded around to the button who makes a raise to 6 dollars. The small blind who is a solid player makes a re-raise to 15 dollars. I thought aboutpushing in at this point but i really thought the tight player would call me since he had been playing good hands for the most part. So i just smooth call him, and the loose player goes nuts and re-raises again to 40 dollars. The small blind goes all-in for about 150 dollars right behind him. I think hard for 3 mins and end up folding only to see A-K from the SB and 2 10-10's from the button. The board came Q-2-2-6-3. Was i wrong to fold my queens in this spot, im still so sick about it, the pot was huge and i missed out on it?

Answer 1

good fold

Answer 2

There was nothing wrong with your fold.  Being a good poker player isn't about always winning the pot, but making the right decission (so all the poker writters claim).  While you would have won the pot had you played, that is often the case even when really crappy hands are the ones you folded.  Ladies are a nice hand to have, but when you have a raise, and then a re-raise and then a push on top of that, you really need to think.  I have been in that situation many times in cash games (q/q raise, re-raise and then a push) and have called and in more cases than not, lost a heck of a pot, and a good many of my chips (I have won in that situation too).  One evening at the Beau Rivage that happened to me twice, in both cases I lost alot of my little babies (chips).  Being the good father that I am, I have not made that mistake again, unless I knew very well the people doing that, and that means both of them, were foot loose and fancy free with their money, or they had been drinking.  

I am suprised that the solid player did that with A/K but, some people love that hand in a ring game (I would be willing to bet more money is lost with that hand in ring games than with any other hand).  To me, it is nothing more than a drawing hand.  With all that being said, is this an online game, or a birck and mortar card room game?  I have never been an online cash nlhe player (I have dabbled, but the play is so different from live games that I prefer not to play it online).  I play  nlhe, in just about all the Florida card rooms, and have played it in most of the Mississippi card rooms regularly with stints in Vegas too.  In those rooms, a 3x bb bet is normally just a pot builder bet (I am learning through this venue that isn't the case online) the reason for the back ground is that I am sure alot of the online players will disagree with my assesment.  

You did the right play, don't regret it.  Be proud of it, even though you missed out on a heck of a pot.  As others have pointed out, there are just to many hands that would be played like that, that beat you.  An aside bar about being sick.  I was playing in the poker room at Ebro Florida, one fine saturday afternoon, they have a royal flush jackpot there that was spades at the time and it was close to 20k for the person hitting it.   I had Ks Qs in mid-late possition, there was a decent raise in front of me, but I called (the jackpot is why) a player pushed behind me, the original raiser called, I had about 140 infront of me (max buy-in in Florida is 100), I folded, you guessed it comes the flop  ...As, 10s 2d.  turn was the Js......you want to talk sick!  I had to get up from the table for about 20 minutes before I got through kicking myself in the rear for not calling.  I was against an A/A vs. Q/Q , ironically the Q/Q won, a red K came on the river. (people talk about internet hands being rigged...lol)  I could only console myself in the end by saying over and over again..."I did the right play".  Good luck.

Answer 3

It was a good fold.  The range of hands that were indicated by this betting ranges from you being completely dominated to you being a little dominated.  Even when it turned out that they were both betting stupid, you were faced with a LOT of trouble.

Don't let yourself be influenced by the results, your fold was  the right move.

Answer 4

If u asked the same question pre flop, i would say it was a good fold because alot of cards wouldve beat you. A,K,10.

Assuming that all available draws were still in the deck you had a small chance of drawing a queen (20%) and although you had the best hand at the time, the chances of no Q, and an A,K,10 would be much greater.

Unlucky but the right call!

Answer 5

ok so when i have that kind of hand i just call it.  now the only thing that could've beat you was the button guy because if...  wait that was all five cards you won.  you had three of a kind.  the button guy had two pair. and the other guy had nothing but dueces.  now i am a big bluffer but i always play it safe.  ill do stuff like sit back for a few hands and then go all in.  it scares them.  but he expects you to fold.  if he went in for 20-50 bucks then he probably would have stolen the blind.  it was a pretty bad fold to me.  but hey he coulda had somethin' else.

Answer 6

Absolutely the right call.

There's no reason to show down 3-handed before the flop with a pair of Queens.   You certainly wouldn't have been comfortable, even knowing you were showing down against 10s and A-K.

Answer 7

I don't see what was wrong with it.  It was not a tournament, and therefore there was no need to risk your whole bankroll on a hand that, if not an underdog at ready, is certainly at risk.  Remember, playing good poker and making good decisions is not about the outcome.  What if you had had pocket deuces?  Would you have thought that was a bad fold?  According to the outcome it was.

But queens are at risk in this spot.  I remember reading somewhere that if you never make a bad fold, you're probably not playing very good poker.

Answer 8

good fold. only person that didnt think so thot u had a set. u can let him know later that u had a full house. that was david and william h thinks ur playing PL. i think SB wanted to push around the bluffer with his bully hand and that is why he loosened up on the button. although from ur point of veiw u have to put him on KK or AA i guess.

Answer 9

It's a good fold.  When I see an all-in push in a cash game pre-flop, I figure they have AA, KK, or AK.  Even if they have AK, that's a lot of money to wager on a coin flip, although you would have had decent pot odds to make the call if you knew for a fact that they had AK.  The odds of you catching a 3rd Q is pretty small, so if you're up against AA or KK, the odds are that you're going to lose.

Answer 10

I would have to agree with pitsinianika pre flop you made the right move. However the only thing that would keep me guessing is that you were up against two players in the late position. If the players were in early position I would have folded without a doubt. But all in all I think you made the right call.

Answer 11

It looks like there are four raises allowed in the game you were playing.  Too bad, since if there were three raises you could have closed out the action with a raise to 24.

The tight player made a squeeze play on you and it worked.

The way you played the hand passively, means you should have laid the hand down for all the chips.