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Roughly what percentage of creationists believe in a geocentric universe? Shouldn't most of them believe this?

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Some supporting quotes for Geocentrism:

Say among the nations, "The Lord reigns! Yea, the world is established, it shall never be moved; he will judge the peoples with equity."

tremble before him, all earth; yea, the world stands firm, never to be moved.

The sun rises and the sun goes down, and hastens to the place where it rises.

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  1. Galileo made the same error when he said sun was the center of the universe. Science tells us it is not.  The sun is the center of our tiny solar system, not the universe.

    Galileo stepped outside of is scientistic boundary by telling everyone, especially the Pope, that science proved the Bible wrong. The sun does not rise and set, the earth rotates, therefore the Bible was wrong.

    This stupid reasoning still goes on today with people abusing scripture by ignoring various literary devices that varied with one culture to the next.  


  2. Read an NIV Bible's footnotes about the verses you've selected, then come back and we'll talk.

  3. This should be understood in the proper context. The truth is that earth IS immovable - not stationary, nor is it the center of the universe, but it is immovable. Its physical laws, and even that which holds all things together, are immovable. In fact, it is perhaps ironic that the more we learn about things like gravity, the more this truth becomes apparent.

    Consider this excerpt from an article on Netwon:

    While Newton was able to formulate his law of gravity in his monumental work, he was deeply uncomfortable with the notion of "action at a distance" which his equations implied. He never, in his words, "assigned the cause of this power". In all other cases, he used the phenomenon of motion to explain the origin of various forces acting on bodies, but in the case of gravity, he was unable to experimentally identify the motion that produces the force of gravity. Moreover, he refused to even offer

    a hypothesis as to the cause of this force on grounds that to do so was contrary to sound science.

    He lamented that "philosophers have hitherto attempted the search of nature in vain" for the source of the gravitational force, as he was convinced "by many reasons" that there were "causes hitherto unknown" that were fundamental to all the "phenomena of nature". These fundamental phenomena are still under investigation and, though hypotheses abound, the definitive answer is yet to be found. In

    Newton's 1713 General Scholium in the second edition of Principia:

    "I have not yet been able to discover the cause of these properties of gravity from phenomena and I feign no hypotheses... It is enough that gravity does really exist and acts according to the laws I have explained, and that it abundantly serves to account for all the motions of celestial bodies. That one body may act upon another at a distance through a vacuum without the mediation of anything else, by and through which their action and force may be conveyed from one another, is to me so great an absurdity that, I believe, no man who has in philosophic matters a competent faculty of thinking could ever fall into it."[4]

    4. ^ - The Construction of Modern Science:

    Mechanisms and Mechanics, by Richard S. Westfall.

    Cambridge University Press 1978

    Perhaps even more interesting, at least to me, is what Benjamin Colman said on this topic in an amazingly profound and eloquently written essay which he delivered at a lecture to the governor of the colonies of Massachusetts and New Hampshire in 1730 (the entire essay can be found at http://www.belcherfoundation.org/pillar....

    The natural Earth has no pillar.  The will and Word of God is its only basis.  It seems to us who dwell on it, fixed and immoveable in the air.  It keeps its place and line there, as if it were set on some lasting, solid pillars, and never moved at all.

    We darkly philosophize [theorize] upon the point and talk of the poles of heaven, which are more unintelligible to a common audience than the pillars of it.  We speak obscurely of the Earth’s being fixed on its own center.  And we discourse more intelligibly of the secret power of magnetism [gravity] which is in matter, whereby bodies mutually attract or gravitate toward each other, by which the mighty globes of the universe preserve their distance, motion, and order.

    This seems to be the only natural pillar of the Earth: The amazing work and power of God. And the planets which roll in the same circle with us have all of them the same pillars.  That is to say, all bodies through the whole solar system attract or gravitate toward each other with forces according to their quantities of matter.

    But after all this fine doctrine in our new philosophy [science] concerning the centripetal forces of the sun and planets, a plain Christian is much more edified by the simple and [common] account which the Sacred Pages give us of this mysterious thing: “He stretcheth out the North over the empty space, and hangeth the Earth upon nothing!  He hath founded it upon the seas, and established it upon the floods” (Job 26:7; Psalm 24:2), which is to say, “No man knows how or where this vast material frame finds its basis and station.”

    Let us hear God again on the point and say no more upon it: Job 38:2-6: “Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?  Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou Me.  Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the Earth?  Declare if thou hast understanding.  Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest?  Or who hath stretched the line upon it?  Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened?  Or who laid the cornerstone thereof?”

  4. Here are some more:

    Deuteronomy 13:7, 28:49, 28:64, 33:17

    Job 2:8, 19:4, 22:27, 33:13, 48:10, 59:13, 61:2, 65:5, 72:8.

    Other verses suggest the earth is round. (Which is wrong too, since it's a sphere)

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