Safe meat?

Question

Where I live, many people get their products that come from animals from local farms. I live on one of the farms. I also live in the largest city in the entire U.S. I do not give vegetarians or vegans a hard time. Everyone makes their own choices. I would like to know though, why are so many vegans ready to doubt that some people who eat meat and dairy get it from a source where there is no torture, no inhumanity, no bad living conditions, no "slaughtering"? I am not saying that all vegans do this, because i know that's not true. I know that many meat eaters give vegans a hard time, and they spend a lot of energy defending themselves for it. So why retaliate on those of us who go out of our way to make sure that our food comes from a safe place? I am the constant target for many vegans, because they do not believe these places exist, perhaps because they have never taken the time to visit them.

Answer 1

KT, I know there are people out there that eat mainly local, more "humane" products.  But nearly 90% of animal products come from factory farming, not from small farms like yours.  So while I think you are on the right track to eating more mindfully and ethically, most meat-eaters do not eat like you and THEIR habits, not yours, are sometimes questioned by us.

Answer 2

I'm a vegetaraian and almost all farms these days have been turned into factory farms and that is horrifing to know what they do there. i beilve you and am happy because that is a LOT better life for your farm animals then in any factory! people just might not beilve you because they know the vast majority of farms do horrid things to their victims. don't get angry if they don't beilve you, but you can tell them to come over some time and show them. It's asesome that your not like other big farms. Keep it up!; )

Answer 3

Mockingbird is 100% right!

Answer 4

One fact that get ignored is that organic vegetable farming requires lots of farmyard manure. A by-product of the meat, dairy and chicken industry's!

Answer 5

First of all you shouldn't be attacked, even if you were eating factory farmed meat, it's your decision.

Vegans do realize that there are farms that provide better conditions then feedlots and slaughter houses, but we are against anything dieing for consumption by the hands of a human. To some of us, raising a cow/pig/chicken etc. just to kill it, just seems kind of barbaric. No matter how an animal is killed, it is slaughtered.

Answer 6

Safe meat? It is so nice of you to not give vegan and vegetarians are hard time!!! Why would you? There is nothing wrong with us just because we don't believe in eating meat.  If animals are being killed so that we have meat,dairy, and eggs for food then I don't care whether it was painful to  them or not because regardless animals were still killed so that we could have food to eat.  It is a senseless death.  Go watch the video on meat.com.  I don't both defending myself anymore about being a vegan.  I just tell meat eaters to knock it off.  That it is my choice to be a vegan and they should mind their own business.  People don't like when someone does something that goes against what they would do.  I don't agree that milk comes from a safe place.  Maybe safe in your mind but not safe for the poor, defensiveless animals who were killed.  I don't really care if these so called places exist.  I would never visit one of them.  Maybe male animals aren't killed on your farm but male animals in general are killed for meat.  I saw a video where male animals are castrated and slaughtered for meat.  I think you are trying to convince yourself that meat is safe.  Maybe you aren't so sure.

Answer 7

There are many aspects to being vegan, not just the killing of animals in a humane way. Nutritionally for example, there are big problems with eating large amounts of animal products. And since most people cannot moderate their diets, it makes a lot of sense to just not eat these products altogether. Nutritionally, as a general rule, the more plant life you eat, the better off you are.

Secondly, while I applaud that you are giving thought and trying to eat meat from places with humane conditions, this still advocates that eating meat is correct. If you were eating outside your farm setting, would you give up meat and daity products in that scenario, or would you continue to eat them, even knowing that they likely came from factory farming? Eating animal products tends to sanction other people eating it anywhere and everywhere, whatever the conditions of slaughter and care maybe where the meat came from .

Thirdly, whether the environmental effect of your farm may be quite benign (or not), the majority of animal products consumed in the Western world come from environmentally destructive operations, that care little for the environment over profit historically. Is sanctioning these operations by meat and milk consumption a good thing to do?

Lastly, yes there is a moral and spritual aspect to what vegans do. Killing animals when you don't have to doesn't feel right to me. Some animals that are carnivorous don't have a choice about what to eat, but I do. I'd like to make the best choice for the most good that I can. For me, that's a vegan choice.

I'm not saying all plant farming is ideal (it's not) and I try to make the best choices environmentally and ethically there as well. But overall, it does much less harm than the animal  farming industry and factory farming. That's why I support veganism.

Answer 8

some thing grade a. but fish is better

Answer 9

This is rant..not a question.  I'm pretty darn sure that nobody that frequents this forum even knows you so who exactly are you defending yourself against?  Do you think we are one huge cult or something?  Think again.  Coming in here making soapbox statements IS giving us a hard time.

Answer 10

I'm sorry, no slaughtering?  Are you snacking on living animals, then?  Animals have to be slaughtered to become meat, that is a simple fact and not a value judgement.  If vegans don't believe you that some people who eat meat get it from a source where there is no "slaughtering," I'm not surprised.

You're right, everyone makes their own choices.  You made yours, I made mine, but please don't try to sell me on "happy meat" because I don't care if the animals live on cotton candy clouds and eat rainbows their whole lives, you still have to kill them to eat them.

Answer 11

peta exposed the slaughter houses.

and artificial growth hormones freakkk me out.

Answer 12

Well most meat that is for sale in grocery stores came form a farm that treated them poorly (because its more cost efficient). Also many people who choose to not eat meat for animal rights reasons don't like the idea of eating a dead animal - it was killed somehow, it doesn't really matter how. And also you said that they should visit these friendly farms, like your own, but that would not be a good idea because they will see how cute and pet-like the animals are and that is just another reason why they wont want to eat them. I understand what you are saying, but there is more to it then just the way they are treated pre-slaughter

Answer 13

No need to get all defensive, love. If I decide to murder you one day I'll be sure to make your death as quick and painless as possible. Besides, you've had a great life. :)

Answer 14

Because they are brainwashed bigots, plain and simple.  Not unlike evangelical Christians.

I've never met a vegan or vegetarian that wasn't a miserable human being with something to prove at all costs.

Answer 15

the animals are still being killed for human pleasure and we don't give them a chance this is unfair unless you actually talk animal and ask them yourselves its not giving them a chance. its just like someone coming up to you after nice short and life and then killing you for food. Would u find that very fair?

sorry if it sounds like a protest

Answer 16

I think it's more that many vegetarians and vegans believe that just the act of KILLING an animal, no matter how it is done, is cruel. Even if you gave cows anesthesia before they are killed many vegetarians and vegans would object because an animal is still being killed.

Answer 17

lots of places inject stuff into there cows to make them produce milk without being pregnant and if they make thoes cows into meat thoes chemicals are in the meat. Some place (i'm not saying yours) inject hormones into the cows before they are turned into meat. I am not sure why tho... but that stuff ends up in the meat.

Answer 18

Your farm is a needle in a haystack.  90% of farms in the US are factory farms.  You are still killers.

Answer 19

This all depends on why you became a Veggie/Vegan. I became a veggie because I didn't like battery farming ETC. But for example if someone didn't like the idea of killing something then obviously you can't get meat from something without killing it first. You should never get grief because of your belief's it's simply your choice, I don't try and persuade people to turn Veggie it's there choice, just as it is mine not to eat meat.

Answer 20

i live on a farm that raises its own beef too, in 2 big pastures that we switch them when grass gets low

its my parents' farm...i do not support it in any way

it is mostly the big companys that treat thier animals that way

but i do not think an animal should have to die when we do not need it

Answer 21

There is NO safe meat.

Animal secretes dozons of NATURAL HORMONES and millions of DNAs which are UNNATURAL for human.

Those strangers hormones/DNA from unknown gender into human body sounds unsound to me.

Answer 22

Fish.

Answer 23

it's semantics and the willingness to blindly follow an ideal of semi importancy. They are called the peanut gallery and they all jump on the bandwagon in order to belong to something, anything, The church (all churches) are looking for them, the lost, the few, the shamed. Certainly not the marines slogan is it?  if someone yelling loud enough fromthe top of their lungs gets the attention of just one someone to give them an amen after certain points being given then another will join and then another and then you have a group, a beliefe and then it grows and more join and after it all gets sorted out? yep they all order the filet mignon instead of the soy pattee.

Answer 24

So maybe it is one of the better farms.... but the fact is that you are still killing and using animals for human pleasure.  Unless the cow is volunteering to be murdered, it is against his will.