Self Defense, MMA, Martial Arts, Krav.. etc. Quiz 2.

Question

Hello once again, hoping for community help from you experts out there.

1. Self Defense: You have a would be attacker at you holding a knife in a hammer grip (hands wrapped around it like a hammer), his intent is to kill or harm you, escape is not an option. How would you handle/disarm/incapacitate this attacker?

2. MMA/Wrestling: How would you teach a new person how to know they are in range for a standard shot (double leg, single leg, high crotch)?

3. Karate: What is the purpose(s) behind the Sanchin (stance, not the Kata)?

4. Striking: Where and what strikes would you use to drop someone that are body oriented, (not head or joint related,) ? Only say the balls if you truly feel it is the most effective strike.

5. If you are trained to "kill" give an example of an unarmed technique or series of techniques designed specifically to kill someone, why/how it would kill them, (physiologically) and a circumstance in which you feel you would have to use this technique. (If you somehow feel it is morally irresponsible to widespread share this knowledge then feel free to message me your answer, or give an experience using a deadly technique you know and it's outcome, or put whatever you want down).

Hope all you experts can help me out, and that we will get some great participation.

Thanks for your help!

Answer 1

1. It's questions like these that make me want tell people I practice amateur wrestling, not martial arts. Any "Martial Artist" who answers this question with actual techniques in beg doosh baag.

2. Go wrestle. seriously. it cannot be taught, if it could, wrestling would be easy. So get your rear end out their and work at like everyone else.

3. Don't know, don't do Karate.(no disrespect, i'm just more the grappling type)

4. As many as you can though effectively before your opponent fires back. Also note, a kick to the ball can make some people more angry and ensure that you will be forced to fight.

5. Refer to answer #1. (or act like it was never asked)

6. Yes, I know, you didn't have a sixth question, but I'm answering it anyway.  The answer is, stop looking on the internet for answers.  There not here. Instead, use the internet to find a gym/dojo/wrestling room/whatever and go find your answers through experience.  That way, when someone asks you these same questions years from now, you can point him in the right direction to find his own answers (and so on, and so on....) instead of propagation useless information about mortal kombat super secret finishing moves that are supposed to kill a person but nobody knows if they work. After all, would you let someone practice a "killing move" on you?

Answer 2

1) Evade to side of attack whilst controlling arms. Grab knife hand at thumb and take to position of control, disarm on attackers body, then  aybe a figure 4 arm lock for control and takedown.

2) I wouldn't bother, they'll work it out for themselves when they try it and it doesn't come off and working with people.

3) Never done Karate

4( I wouldn't trust any one body shot to stop someone, I have seen guys with broken ribs keep fighting. The little soft spot at the bottom of the sternum leaves most completely winded but it is a precise area to hit and being able to know that point when the guy is wearing a jacket is difficult, whereas the gonads have a couple of guides on either side to make sure you hit the target and at least slows down most guys and stops nearly as many. The floating ribs and kidneys are good shots too  but not one hit stoppers, some good kidney shots and they will still remember you every morning for a week though.

5) OK you know that bit in the movie Roadhouse where Patrick Swayze rips the guys throat out, well now you know

that I can't do that and have never tried. I don't know if the techniques are designed specifically to kill but there are neck cranks that can damage the spinal column amd that nervous system thing that runs down it ( my memory for words is getting shocking) there are also chokes and throat hits that can crush the windpipe.

A guy can die from hitting his head when he falls after you hit him so I wouldn't shy away from using them if in a situation where I was fighting for my life and that was the best route open to me. If it is just a couple of drunks who think I have nicked their taxi, then not so much.

Answer 3

1. Obviously, this would be my strategy if I had no option.

First, I would c**p my pants, then find any environmental weapon to put distance between me and the attacker like a chair, bar stool, coat rack, laundry basket, skateboard, my neighbors dog ANYTHING to create distance.

As I poke and prod the attacker with the object, my goal would be to jam his knife arm up long enough so I can trap him and do:

>standing arm triangle to incapacitate the arm> osoto gari while in the hold > arm triangle choke.

2. If you can touch them, you can shoot. If the opponent is attacking towards you, you can change levels and shoot, and when you are arms length plus a few inches you can shoot.

3. Took karate in middle school - didnt learn anything.

4. Knife hand to the carotid artery in the neck, knee into solar plexus, kidney.

5. No comment.

Answer 4

shark week is sorely tempting me to post random videos of seals bieng eaten.....

1.

wow- any knife attacker even an untrained one is dangerous, even the "overhead stab" used in karate classes that is unrealistic is actually dangerous.  

If wearing a jacket (thikc) I would try to at least foul the knife with it. and close (providing there were no makeshift weapons around like a 2x4 or something).  

if that wasn't an option I would expect to get cut, but at least try to protect my vitals and minimize any injury, first priority would be on securing the knife.  I learned a few voids and disarms in a knife fighting class so I would try to wait till he cut at me and perform a grab and disarm if the opportunity arose. I would assume the knife figher's crouch so at least my stomach, chest would be harder to reach and my arms and head would be exposed but at least easier to defend against.

other responses would be depending on the area and location of the attack.

2.

I would teach them the same way I learned in folkstyle, teach them the d**n technique first so they can figure thier own range somewhat to penetrate, I would begin by teaching them close up from a standing clinch range. if they are a fresh beginner you really wouldn't want to throw too much at them.

I'm not a teacher and I came at it from a different angle but I would imagine you find your range because shooting across too far is easy to figure out . thats how I did it but i learned as a sport and applied it to outside fighting later, so I kind of just "found" my range after testing it. before shooting I prefer to have someone tied up and under control (arm wise) so I do prefer to shoot off of a clinch range situation.

3. I do not take karate and we train out of a boxing stance which IMO is the most if not the only real effective fighting stance when striking is allowed.  unless there is some other name it goes by that I haven't seen i don't know.  I will however provide you with a mouse bieng eaten by piranas instead:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCjSSYpBb...

4. .

well if I had a golf club a strike to the balls would be an effective strike... but unarmed I would look for the sternum or ribs. no body shot is really reliable and safe enough in my opinion to count on dropping you so quick.

If avoidable I don't throw strikes to the body as It exposes your face too much. a kidney punch would be a valid option. most liklely I would be throwing a mid level kick though as surprisingly thats probably to me safer than opening up your face for a body shot unless you are in good position to (by body do you mean legs or just the torso?).  one shot will not take someone down like this ESPECIALLY a body shot but you might get lucky and break a rib and have it punchture a lung.  Or if they guy isn't conditioned you might sap his stamina greatly with a punch to the gut- as I said though I really try to avoid strikes to the torso unless I'm really in a position to do so without fear of retaliation. if you are including non joint extremities than any number of non-head submissions would do the trick.

5.

a choke or neck break would kill someone, or cutting off the blood flow to thier brain through the vessels in thier neck,however to take these to the point of "killing" would be unjustifiable ever under the law IMO as if you have them in that situation you already have control of them unless thier neck "breaks" by accident and not an intentional forcefull technique- or if when you are applying a chokehold they do have a medical condition.

the only scientifically sure method to kill someone with a single technique is to pretend to focus my chi and shoot a dragonball at them while screaming "naruto" or "haduken" and hope they die of laughter.

Hope all you experts can help me out, and that we will get some great participation.

here is a video of a really really cute shark for your viewing pleasure:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6mWzI5an...

EDIT: judo I didn't know you trained at SBG.

Answer 5

1.  If you have a jacket, wrap it around the knife.  If no jacket, it depends on how he is waving the knife.  You need to get out of the path of the knife and control it at the handle.  Once you have accomplished that, then a number of joint lock/strikes would be helpful.  Most common attack with a knife is probably a slashing motion, for this turning circular at 45 degree into the supporting arm with the knife will get you out of range and block the slash before it has too much momentum.  Also look for adhoc weapons to counter with.  Knifes are very touch though, you will probably atleast get cut a little.

2.  Common openning moves for mma/wresting is grabbing neck/shoulders, kinda the mma/wrestling equivalent of a jab.  If you can do this, you are in range for a shoot.

3.  Classic Karate answer is Block groin kick.  Could also be useful for lowering your center of gravity for a hip throw, though I think I prefer horse stance for this.

4.  By body you mean torso?  Then soloplex, kidney, bladder, ribs.

5.  I am not a proponent of the death penalty, but in self defense if I had too kill, probably attacks to the throat and neck are the best, such as breaking the wind pipe, breaking the neck, maybe palm strike under the chin (that might just knock them out though).  physiologically I am sure this would give me nightmares.

Answer 6

1. Well, my first answer will STILL be evade until escape IS an option if possible. Otherwise, close with them. A hammer grip (blade oriented towards the ground) does not allow them to get the leverage and motion to initiate an effective knife attack. And close at an angle, not directly. This allows you the opportunity to redirect any attack they DO try, and puts them in a position where you can counterattack and disarm them.

Now, if they are holding the knife in a position to JAB, there is a technique to disarm, in which you meet the attack with your hands in a cross-blocking technique. Yes, I said hands. One hand hits the back of the attackers hand, the other hits the inside of the wrist. If done correctly, you will disarm your opponent. HOWEVER, this is exceedingly difficult to accomplish, and if you miss, your opponent will laugh at you and turn you into a pin coushin; or, more correctly, a KNIFE coushin.

2. Never participated in "MMA" and wrestled infrequently for fun (and I "cheat when I do, according to my teenage son), but the concept as I understand it is this: shoulders square, "walking" stance, more weight on the back leg than the front. Limits the opponents options. Too much weight on the front leg, you can't get it out of the way in time. Feet parallel to each other, double leg or crotch takedown. The rest is about knowing your effective defensive range, and this only comes through - GASP!! practice.

3. Don't study Karate, study Tae Kwon do. From that standpoint, stances at their root are abour BALANCE. Ensuring the body is in the proper position to deliver an attack or block/counterattack most effectively. But you must "KIYOP!!" loudly when in this stance, or your attack won't work.

4. Armpit, liver/kidney shot, wave kick to the inside of the knee (oops, sorry, joint-related), solar plexus, knifehand to the throat, strike to the hip ( I know the hip is a joint, but a good enough strike to the hip will send the sciatic nerve into a tizzy). When all else fails, .357 Magnum shot to the chest. If they don't drop from THAT, run like h**l...

5. A): sidestep attacker as he charges, knifehand to the trahea. Effect: collapse the trachea, attacker cannot breathe, suffocates, dies.

B) Block attack and close to side. Slide blocking hand down attackers arm, grab chin. Grab back of head with other hand, twist up and around. Effect. Neck snaps, severs spinal cord, attacker dies.

C) Charge with Bayonet, scream like a banshee, drive bayonet into opponents body, twist. Effect: Scream causes opponent to c**p himself and lose all faculties, jab and twist turns intestines into jelly, opponent bleeds out and/or toxicity of bowles enters bloodstream, opponent dies.

D) Super secret Ninja attack (sorry, only members of the Super Secret Ninja society are allowed to even know these exist, so if you aren't a member, pretend you didn't read this one.) Ninja initiates super secret deadly attack. Effect. Opponent dies heinously.

Answer 7

1 - presumably the hammer grip is with the knife point-down - I'll use right hand, since it's most common.  My first thought would be to kick low while keeping my body away from the weapon.  Assuming I have the option to attack I'd start with a knee-kick; my right shin to his left knee keeps my weapon the furthest from his weapon.  Body back, hands up to deflect the stab/strike with the bony part of my forearm.  Following knee strike, I'd essentially attack his hand/forearm with my cross-elbow.  I'd try for a wrist grip with my left hand, close centerline with a right elbow strike to his head, then go 2 on 1 (my 2 hands against his 1 hand) for any weapon removal or small joint lock that was availble (particularly focus on his thumb if possible). No thumb = no grip strength.

2) From the drop/shoot position I'd do a couple shots to emphasize how much ground a quick wrestler can cover. I'd demonstrate how complete body extension / commiting on the part of the attacker can increase the range of a shot by a foot or more.  For drills, I would essentially focus on the distance from the attacker's shoulder to the defender's target area (hip, thigh, high calf, heel). The key being that the closer the attacker's shoulder gets in, the more options are available.  After concept we would drill a few things- keeping attacker's head up (moving into clinch), keeping attacker's head/shoulders down (stuffing), re-direction with body rotation and angles, and countering - dropping lower, neck attacks, punching counters, kicking counters, reversals.  We'd finish with drills on responding once you are caught - it's inevitable in some cases.

3) Never did karate.  I looked it up - it's ugly!  I'm guessing from the inward turned knees/feet and the lowered center of gravity it's basically a defensive stance to increase the defender's stability - the defender having the lower center of gravity and a solid base has a grappling advantage in many instances.  I don't understand the principles, but it looks impractical - no offense.

4) Body shots!  My favorite.  I'm talking sport here, not self defense per se:  I like the mexican boxer's uppercut to the body - step right and forward, drop right shoulder using left hand/arm for defense, and punch upward into the liver - I fight with a right lead and it's my favorite punch.  My next fave is the "teep" only I throw it more as a TKD kick than an Muay Thai push.  I like the centerline strikes to the plex because I spar a lot of Muay Thai guys - it works because of the open stance they use and they seldom defend it because they expect pushing instead of the sharp strike, especially with rear leg (left in my case).   If I can find it I really like the shovel punch/inside uppercut to the body.  Many guys don't throw inside shots in a clinch - they go for the hooks - so I like to shift angles, drop back a touch, and lift a punch to the guts.  They usually head cover so it gets through assuming I have opened just a little space.

5) There are lots of ways to kill, but I don't think in those terms - I'm mostly a sport fighter so I go in with respect for my opponent and no intent to kill - just win.  In a deadly / street situation I think I'd be more likely to try for an eye than anything else - and then get outa dodge.  Again my training for sport puts me at an advantage over most folks in a head-to-head situation, but I'd be wary of his companions etc. not to mention the legal and personal nightmares of killing someone on the street.

Answer 8

1. Well, the defense of this particular grip would all matter to me in the way he uses it to attack. If he's stabbing or slashing. If he takes an overhead swing, a horizontal swing. Too many factors really to just say one thing that works. Although, if I had a magazine or newspaper with me I'd be much happier with the situation... No folks the paper's not for reading, its for preventing my arms from getting slashed to bits.

2. I don't do that so I wouldn't know. Yes, I am fully capable of admitting something I don't know.

3. The stance is multipurposed. Its a quick way to stop a kick to the balls, though still dangerous. Its a sinking technique for wratcheting down on upper body joint manipulations, Its a hidden technique for takedowns when in close proximity, it has kyusho applications. Last but not least its a fantastic rooting stance, especially for tight spaces. The only thing with that is that its positioning makes it a little slow to move in and out of.

4. Liver, bottom of the throat, just under the solar plexus (xyphoid process), spleen, bladder, spine, bottom of the ribcage, armpit, tailbone (the tip area), just under the pecs directly under the nipple, between the spine and shoulderblade either side, directly behind the nipple on the back (under the blades), the collar bones, and the vegas nerve in that area

5. Breaking the Atlas bone

Answer 9

1.

Well I'd have to see exactly how the attack is being made, but the basic idea of the knife defense is that you want to block and attack at the same time. If someone's coming at you with knife then they're not just gonna stab at you once, they're gonna keep coming. So simply side-stepping, blocking and striking won't cut it. You have to block and attack, yes, but the important thing is that you gain control of the weapon. I'm not going to say how I would defend this attack because I haven't been trained to yet, but I do know that the basic principles are the same. You want to go from defending to attacking as soon as possible and gain control of the weapon as quickly as you can by any means necessary.

5.

As for killing techniques, I know a couple, but I'm not going to list them purely on the basis that I don't know who's going to be reading this question, and I wouldn't share something like that lightly.

Answer 10

1- When you say hammer grip I think exactly that. Hand on the grip, business end sticking out the top of his fist blade down (if single edged). With that grip I'm assuming the most common attack being a thrust forward toward the gut. First priority is not get stabbed, so when the strike comes in I am making a single step back to make sure if I miss my disabling shot I have a better chance of coming away cleanly.

While taking that step back I come at the forearm just above his wrist with my blocking grab. The grab being make the shape of a "C' with your hands and slide one ontop of the other so the thumb of one hand matches the pointer of you other hand ... overlapping "C's". Once the block down and grab has been made I roll his arm and step under it breaking his elbow over my shoulder. The step is from the outside of his attacking arm in against him not to the inside, making it harder for him to reach you with his off hand in the off chance he isn't so surprised to react.

2. I am not trained to shoot for a take down.

3. I take Hapkido not Karate, can't help you on this one either. If I do know the stance it's not by that name.

4. Any number of strikes to the solar plexus, kidneys or liver. Solar plexus being my first choice due to (normally) easiest access.

5. A choke or strangle will work. Strikes to the temple or throat. I'll pass on the details.

Once again good job. Looking forward to seeing the next one.

Answer 11

1) Not my area of expertise. I'd probably get stabbed to death. I don't have much faith in the knife disarms that I learned in Aikido and Ninjutsu several years ago. Nonetheless, when I've practiced live, what worked for me best was to just try to evade until I could get wrist control. Then I'd work some distraction strikes until I could get both hands on his hand/wrist, then do a lock or something. When being stabbed at (at the stomach), I had some success sidestepping/parrying as an entry for an osoto gari. then I'd stomp and/or run. Either way, my success rate wasn't high enough in any of this for me to expect to win without drawing my own weapon.

2) If you can touch them, you're in range. If you can't reach them, don't expect the shot to work.

3) no clue.

4) Solar Plexus, Kidney, Liver, Floating Ribs.

5) I'm not 'trained to kill,' but I'm sure that I could punch or knee somebody into unconsciousness and then stomp them to death, were I ever in an (incredibly unlikely) situation that wuold merit killing somebody. Or, if I caught them in a choke, I'd just hold it for a minute or so.

EDIT: oh and this technique right here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9uTBXZZd...

Answer 12

1.  You gotta get wrist control ............ then you pull out your gun

2.  i suck at shots

3.  Dont know anything about karate

4.  The Bas Rutten liver kick, kidneys, solar plexus (see gabe rudiger vs melvin guillard cool fight)

5.  According to my cousin who is a black belt in kenpo (kempo?) karate all his techniques are too deadly thats why he doesnt compete.

Answer 13

I am DEFINITELY no master, but I think I can answer some questions.

1.)It was just recently I was at a seminar that my instructor was holding. For Knife defense. He taught us what is called the baseball bat grip. It looks like this

http://centerlinegym.com/site/images/sto...

From there he taught us how to disarm him. So from there i go to his back and apply pressure from my shoulder to his shoulder while still maintaining the grip. So My left shoulder would be applying pressure to his right, while pulling back on the knife wielding. That would lock his arm up, and you  would be ready to put him on the ground.

2) not sure

3.)not in karate

4.) At most a kick to the groin, but an alternate would be a shovel hook under the ribs. I have been hit there before it sucks!!

5.) I am not trained to kill.

Answer 14

Good ones:

1) I am going to assume that you mean the attacker is comig with both hands with a downward strike. Fist step in at him to an outside 45 degree angle, using what most styles would call a rising block, however this is not designed to be used as a block, instead I would focus on striking just beyond his elbow9hopefully but not garunteeing he will drop the knife), while at the same time striking with a punch to the solar plex/floating rib/armpit w/uppercut. (It would look like a simultanious block/punch). Keeping contact with his near arm, to prevent slashing or if he does to take it on the outside of the arm away from the major arteries, and grab his wrist with the punching hand. Immedietly slam a round kick/knee strike depending on range to the back of his knee, focusing on going all the way through, at this point i would look to escape. I would get cut but hopefully survive, because I really don't want to get cut again.

2)   no idea

3) One purpose is to root your stance. Sinking into this stance makes you very hard to move. I think of it more as a defensive stance to turn into to protect the inside of the leg from a kick. you just turn the front foot in and take the strike on the outside of the leg, rather then on the

inner thigh. this also gives you tremendous power when throwing a counter as you move back to a regular front stance, as it moves the hip away as you rotate into the stance.(Note: Most Okinawin stances are more upright then the Japanese karate stances, closer to what a boxer would have). The stance itself as it is used in kata is for conditioning, and stability. Go to you tube and type in sanchin kata.

4)  Solar plex- Hammer fist, straight or hook punch, uppercut, palm heel, round kick/front snap kick/knee strike if bent over. Our style does not kick above the waist.

     Liver- Hammer fist, straight or hook punch, uppercut, palm heel, Round kick/front snap kick/knee strike if bent over.

     Kidneys- Basicly the same as above.

5) Any choke, neck break- Only if not doing so would result in my death, the death of a loved one,  or the death of someone else that cannot protect themselves. Quite honestly very soon if it came to that I would shoot them.

Edit for justme- Look at Judomofo's profile. there is a valid reason he is asking these.

Edit on Sanchin stance- yes it is ugly, and yes it is defensive, however just by turning the feet back out and straightening the stance up it becomes a front stance.