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Serious question about abortion rights

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This is a serious question so please no goofball answers-

I'm what people call "pro-life" but i have no problem in saying I'm anti-abortion. This question is directed toward the pro-choice crowd- Is the reason why you hold your beliefs based on the idea that the fetus isn't yet a human being? If it is then i can see where you're coming from, but is there anything else that makes you hold the belief that abortion is a woman right?

I don't consider myself sexist in the least by not liking the idea of abortion for the sake of having one. My views change when theres serious health/medical reasons for it. BTW

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  1. I am personally prolife in regards to myself, but feel the option of abortion is beneficial to society.  If there was not abortion we would have underground abortions, higher rates of poverty, welfare, taxes, child abuse, children in foster care, birth defects, and special ed in schools...just to name a few.  


  2. If you don't like abortions, don't have one.  THE END.

  3. Can't speak for all of us, but I'm Pro-Choice because I believe everyone has the individual liberty and freedom to make their own decisions, including the decision to abort an unwanted fetus.

    You don't know the circumstances behind a woman's choice to abort--maybe she was raped by her father or something, would YOU want to live with that? Or maybe the pregnancy threatens the mother's life. That happens sometimes.

    Obviously not everyone agrees with abortion, but why should we take that option away from people just because the opposing side doesn't like it?

    EDIT: Sometimes birth-control doesn't always work. There is always the risk of pregnancy with or without birth-control, so would if a mother is finiacially unstable to support a child? Would if she lives in poor conditions? I think that would be very selfish and inconsiderate to bring a child into the world knowing you can't support it and knowing you may not be the best qualified parent out there. That's not fair to the child. There are far too many kids out there who are growing up in poor conditions are who are neglected by their parents.

  4. Abortion is the end result of a woman realizing that she allowed herself to get impregnated by a loser. I'm sorry that there aren't more male winners out there who would make it worth a woman's time and energy to carry a pregnancy to term in the event of an accidental pregnancy.

  5. My pro-choice views come from the belief that an unviable fetus is not yet a human being. My mind cannot percieve something that doesn't breathe or think and cannot live without assistance as a human being. And then when I think about it, forcing a woman to go through with a pregnancy is a gross violation of her rights as a person. Whats the most you can do if she doesn't want a growing organism ripping her off control of her own body and life even if it for one year? All she has to do is overdose on medicaton, get drunk, starve herself or use hangers to induce a miscarriage (more like expel that organism from within her). To prevent that, you would have to tie her up, parole her, monitor her life which would all be unfathomable to most people. So as long as it is within her body, she can merely use the argument of self-defense to get it out.

    "is there anything else that makes you hold the belief that abortion is a woman right?"

    Yes. Sexual assault at a young age by a friends brother and best friend's rape (made her suicidal) in middle-school. I can't understand on what grounds some random stranger because of his/her personal beliefs expects a victim of rape to carry to term. I feel like parading them naked (to make them get a feeling of what its like to be raped) when they say "Its just nine months". I'm pro-choice: I believe that only a woman who has to go through pregnancy and later give birth (probably even face the ridicule society brings on her for getting pregnant out of wedlock, giving away her "own flesh and blood" for adoption, and lots of other c**p) is the only one who holds the power to decide whether or not her body should be incubated for even a second.  

  6. Consider this: Some married couples decide that they want to be child-free. They take all the precautions, using no less than two forms of contraception every time. Yet, an accident CAN happen. Should this couple give up s*x for life?

    Not every abortion is due to irresponsible behavior.

  7. Certainly the distinction between a fetus and a baby is the process of birth. Prior to that, the fetus is essentially a parasite on the woman.

    But being pro-choice has something to do with the future welfare of the fetus if it is born and becomes a child. An unwanted child will lead a miserable life and likely end up in crime or worse. Who could want that? In that connection, it never surprises me that "pro-life" people treasure the life of the fetus above that of the woman until it is born, after which they couldn't care less.

  8. How can they say a fetus is not a human being? Women and men humans can only procreate humans. The problem I see with a lot of pro choice people is they never call the baby a baby or a human. They refer to it as a fetus, that is what leads them to have no care for the unborn child.

  9. Abortion is natural.  Nature sees unborn life as "proto-life".  Fifty-percent of all pregnancies in primates, including humans, are naturally aborted (miscarriage) as nature's way of strengthening a species when conditions are not right for the fetus or mother in some way for the pregnancy to continue.  Women have always throughout our species' history participated in that decision-making process.  The decision of a woman's body to abort if there is not enough food for her to eat and to sustain the pregnancy is exactly the same "ethically" as when a woman uses her mind to look around and decide that there will not be enough food to feed another child.  Not until recently, though, have women been allowed benefit of safe medical care in many women's health issues and they have now fought for safe medical care, such as being included as subjects in medical research (women were not required to be included in medical / pharmaceutical / nutritional research until the 1990's) and such as proper modern medical care with abortion.

    There is outrage within misogynistic religions and cultures related to a woman using her mind to decide if conditions are not right for her pregnancy to continue. But, it's perfectly fine with so-called Pro-life people if a woman's body decides that conditions are not right.  For them, the issue is not at all about the "sanctity of Life", but about rage over women rising into self-determination and having control over their bodies.  Fifty-percent of miscarriages can now be saved, thanks to modern medical care, conditions that can be corrected in order for the pregnancy to continue with proper modern prenatal care.  But, so-called Pro-Life people are responsible for the slashing of funds for free prenatal care clinics.  So-called Pro-Life people as a voting block and as financial backers of political activist groups are responsible for approximately 40 times more abortions annually since the 1980's than when a woman uses her mind to decide if conditions are not right for her pregnancy to continue.  

    The same people are also responsible for blocking every measure that research shows would reduce unwanted pregnancies and the problems (conditions) that most contribute to a woman's decision to abort.  They are behind every reduction in spending priority to help working women and their children.  They have been behind every measure to slash child nutrition programs, public school funding, quality child care, birth control, condom distributions, s*x education which empowers young people with the knowledge they need about their bodies and about how easy it is to get pregnant(The Conservative / Pro-Life crowd's "Abstinence Only" program has been recently attributed by CDC research to be directly correlational with the epidemic of one-in-four girls under 18 years old having STD's in the U.S.), equal pay for working mothers, maternity / paternity leave, child health insurance, crime reduction / gun control, etc.  

    As for whose decision it should be, again, misogynist / patriarchal cultures have traditionally until only very recently denied women their rights, not even to manage their own bodies and there are many residual delusions and confusions about all that, about a woman being property or too stupid to think for herself.  Regardless, pregnancy is a woman's reproductive function.  What happens to a woman's body is no longer within the "jurisdiction" of any man or government or pulpit.  Roe vs. Wade decided that no government in the U.S. may decide in this matter, one administration possibly deciding to REQUIRE abortions, as is the case in other nations, that no government could require "defectives" as the Conservatives called poor Black and minority and mentally ill women in the 70's, be required to have mandatory abortions, and that no government had the right to be involved in the abortion business, which protects us from eugenics, especially keeping in mind how historically that happens and how historically Conservatives especially have pushed for eugenic governmental measures, such as sterilization of poor Black women and women on welfare.  

    By diffusing the decision to abort or not, if conditions are right or not, broadly across all women, we are protected, at least for now, from mass eugenic measures, such as a government requiring that couples abort after one child, or requiring that non-Christians be sterilized (n**i's / Jews). I personally as a nurse do not support abortion after 16 weeks and strive as a feminist to reduce sexual objectification of young girls that is allowed in the media, which undermines young women's wise decision-making related to having s*x too young.

  10. I'm pro Abortion. I believe a woman should have a right to choose whether or not she wishes to have a child. I'm putting religion aside and the whole 'its murder' thing. If it was a mans choice it would be legalized.

    I hate how people say 'god hates abortion' yeah you know what? god hates starving, abused children too. there are many reasons a woman and her partner may chose to use abortion.  

    At the end of the day, you cant force some one to do something. You cant force a woman to have a child. and you cant force her to have an abortion.

    If she wants to abort. that's her choice.

  11. I feel very strongly that a life is a life at the moment of conception.  I could never have an abortion nor would I ever recommend that someone have one.  

    Having stated that, I will NOT tell another human being they cannot have an abortion simply based on my beliefs and feelings.  I just do not have that right.

  12. Only feminists who have no understanding of Biology nor Medicine nor even have the inclination to learn about in utero life can suggest something as absurd that the fetus is non-living.

    Post-modern feminists hate many people and many normative constructs.  The unborn child is no exception.

  13. It's a question of rights...to give the foetus rights, one must erode the rights of the woman to have agency over her own fertility.

    So, if you are anti-abortion, are you against forms of contraception like the coil, or the morning after pill? Should we take it to the extreme, and believe you me, some would and say that if a woman menstruates, by rights she should conceive as nature would have intended and that would be about a child every year, until she drops dead like a brood mare..or her uterus gives out! Whicheever comes first.

    Getting rid of foetuses is ok if there is something wrong with it, but not if the woman/female child has been sexually abused/raped by one or more strangers/family members?

    You see this myth that exists around abortion that women just use it as contraception is an abomination.  Most women and there are millions who have to make this agonising choice, do not do so lightly.

    If as adult woman we had no control over our own fertility, and do not start quoting c**p about the availability or success of contraception, life would be unbearable, as most women who want children, would like to think they could control when and how many!

  14. I am pro-choice.  In addition to the belief that an embryo or fetus is not the same as a living infant, I recognize the serious risks a pregnancy may bring.  No one has a right to insist that a woman undergo those risks against her will.

    Most abortions are done before the 10th week.  Clearly these women are demonstrating they do not want a baby in their lives, and they are unwilling to put themselves at risk to bring an unwanted baby into the world.

  15. Parasitism is a type of symbiotic relationship between organisms of different species in which one, the parasite, benefits from a prolonged, close association with the other, the host, which is harmed.

    How the h**l can anybody call a human fetus a parasite?  If thats the case then a breastfed infant is a parasite.  How about a toddler,a teenager, the elderly....  Its disgusting sh*t and a weak argument.

    Edit: We'll kill it in order to save it.....that's an interesting concept.

    • Nearly half of pregnancies among American women are unintended, and four in 10 of these are terminated by abortion.[1] Twenty-two percent of all pregnancies (excluding miscarriages) end in abortion.[2]

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    • In 2005, 1.21 million abortions were performed. From 1973 through 2005, more than 45 million legal abortions occurred.

    • Each year, about two percent of women aged 15-44 have an abortion; 47% of them have had AT LEAST ONE previous abortion.[3]

    Edit:  Yes, let's make it legal to protect the criminals....another good one. lol

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