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Sexism against woman?

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A man friend of mine tonight said that sexism against woman does not exist in the workplace anymore.

I say it does.

How do you think that woman have progressed in the work force or how do you think they are still discriminated/bias against them?

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  1. WoW

    women have jobs now...

    they can vote now...

    they are in the army now...

    a certain woman ran for president...

    WHAT MORE DO YOU GUYS WANT?

    TO RULE THE ENTIRE MUTHERF***IN WORLD???


  2. Ok the only question you have to ask is; do I have equal rights and opportunities in my job.

    If the answer is yes, then there is no sexism.

    Equal outcomes are not necessarily fair outcomes, just to be clear. It's only a fair outcome if it was achieved by fair means (equal opportunity). But if fair means result in unequal outcomes it's still a fair outcome so yea.. lol bit of conflict eh.

    edit: @ cammie it's illegal to pay anyone differently for the same job.. if men happen to EARN more it's because they may be more productive and therefore it is fair that they get paid more for more work even if it is by definition unequal. Perfect illustration of the conflict between fairness and equality

    edit: @ chiara "the percentage of men who have a better position and a better salary is higher than the percentage of women with the same qualifications." if it was achieved through equal opportunity then what's the problem? If not then prove to me that they weren't given equal opportunities to produce the outcomes their male counterparts did..

  3. Certainly there is still discrimination in the work force. Women make, on average, $.75 to man's dollar doing the same job.

    There is the 'glass ceiling,' the point beyond which women hardly ever progress.

    This question is like asking if racism still exists in the workplace - it depends on the place, but overall, of course it does. Racism and sexism don't just disappear overnight, and their results aren't necessarily obvious at first.

  4. You have the first proof that sexism against women still exist in those men who rushed to answer that it doesn't.

    Seriously, women have progressed in some areas yes but we are still far behind when you make a comparison between men and women who have the same position. On the financial level, men and women are still not equal; the percentage of men who have a better position and a better salary is higher than the percentage of women with the same qualifications.

    Most people don't acknowledge it because they like to generalize the example of the women who succeeded.  

    There are a lot of other ways in which women are still discriminated against but since you asked in the workforce, i'll stop here.

  5. It does? Based on what?

    Are women subject to discriminatory quotas, like men are? No. Why aren't you feminists protesting this treatment of men? Oh that's right feminists fought to legislate such discrimination. Silly me.

    Pay disparity? Although it is impossible to close the gap, one of the closest ways of  equalizing it is by putting in more hours. Yes, that means do not take 6-12 months off to raise a child. You do the math.

    Greater number of men in higher positions? How is this the fault of men: the playing fields have been leveled for decades, yet men still seem to be on top. This is even in spite of affirmative action (see above) and aggressive feminism in the work place! Perhaps it's just because men are naturally better at certain fields?

  6. Your friend is right.

  7. Discrimination certainly exists, but measures are in place to balance the field, at least as far as hiring. The last 3 companies I've worked for were Equal Opportunity employers and employed lots of women in professional/management positions.

    There's still a way to go though. Women, on average, still make less than men for doing the exact same jobs.

  8. My wife works in a company where she started with 6 other men of same qualification and now she is the boss of 5 of them and got promoted on her performance at the job, she has been working hard in a company where their are less women in executive position. but it was her performance that got her the position and output which promoted her to the next post.... I think women should consider the intangibles in jobs and check their output as compared to men in similar positions. All big company have evolved certain standards to measure the output of individuals and don't take in account gender discrimination in that. nowadays it is strictly performace based businesses. whoever works better and performs gets rewarded.................. I think your friend is right.

  9. i remember when i was a freshman in h/s and my english teacher would tell me how happy she is because she gets to wear pants [formal ones] to work. and she would say how when her grandmother used to work at her age that all she could wear was a long black skirt or a black dress. and they would have to have a normal long sleeve, white, collared shirt with the skirt. and added on to it they also had to have white socks and black heels. if that wasn't what they were wearing when they went to work, they were fired. i guess that doesn't matter now since in most jobs, women can wear pants but they are atleast professional. hope i helped=]

  10. It doesn't. A woman's place has progressed in the workforce whereas her well-being is being paid more attention to.  Such as in some jobs women are allowed emotional days. Some jobs have been forced to lower their standards or be slapped with a civil suit.  Being a woman I know for a fact were I to work ourside the home I would most likely have the benefit of maternity leave; whereas a father to be will never obtain paternity leave to be with his wife at home.

  11. Your friend is uninformed:

    'Why women are doomed to failure'

    http://www.management-issues.com/2007/7/...

  12. your friend is right

  13. he's right women now don't expirience sexism(not as much as men do anyway) look at jobs,men are not allowed to do certain kind of jobs because everybody thinks we're all rapists.

  14. ok, why the h**l should you hire a chick who is bound to be on maternity leave? dont have the d**n kid if you want to keep the job.

  15. How many times do you see women in the corporate world owning or running a company. Do you think that women no longer get offers of a raise etc.. in return for sleeping with the person doing the offering? hmm I wonder.

  16. In the UK we have a government minister pressing for sexism in favor of women in the workplace http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/pol...

    I have experienced sexism at a few workplaces. A couple were a jokey kind of thing, but if it happened to women would have been grounds for a sexual harassment case. The other was just a women-only office where about half were very vocal man-haters and the other women kept quite. Needless to say I didn't stay quiet and pretty quickly had to change job.

    Sexism against men in the workplace is invisible, just like domestic violence against men.

  17. Yes women are victims.  They will continue to be victims even as they goose step over our graves.

    Of course there is sexism!  How dumb of you not to think that.  Women today only make .0000433 cents per every dollar "the man" makes.

  18. well first of all woman are working these days where as they weren't even allowed to work before.

    women aren't usually given jobs as mechanics or plumbers because they are 'manly' jobs

    if you go into like best buy or something and you want to buy a t.v, most people go to the guy salesman to ask him questions rather than a woman because obviously guys know more about t.v than women.

  19. I think this workplace stuff has gone on too far.

    In the Army we have to have an Equal Opportunity class every quarter to ensure people aren't offended.

    **** them.

    It irritates me. Women aren't babies incapable of hearing an off color joke or a locker room story. If it offends you, QUIT LISTENING. How much do I hate that?

    Certainly, men shouldn't be goosing women or jody calling her but holy h**l the sensitivity police are making my sinuses ache...

  20. Individual sexism exists in both gender. But as far as institutionalized sexism in the workplace, it doesn't exist - especially in the corporate workplace. Your friend is right.

  21. Legally, sexism cannot exist in the workplace.  

    So, in theory, a woman cannot be denied that same opportunities as men in the workplace.

    In actual practice, there IS a glass ceiling at the highest levels of management.

    In actual practice, employers are punitive to women for taking time off to address family priorities.  This is a result of sexism in society, not in an individual workplace.    Women are still expected to be the primary caregivers, still the ones listed as a first emergency contact on their children's school records, still the ones most often playing taxi to take children to their music lessons or football practice.  This is a bias that cannot be directly linked to employers,  yet it produces a result that screams inequality.

    If men were assumed to be primary caregivers and fathers were consistently listed as the first emergency contact for their children, and men were the ones leaving work early to get Johnny to the ball field on time, men would be taking more time off to address family priorities, and men would be the ones having difficulty advancing in their careers.

    Sexism is alive and well in society.  But workplaces are Politically Correct.
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