Shaolin kung fu master vs 9th dan karate?

Question

who would win?

Answer 1

I'll put this guy( or his little Brother)  against anybody you can think of... (just the first guy teaching his son and breaking with his thumbs, toes and fingers)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWfXX5aQh...

The Uechi Ryu school of Okinawan Karate is a rumbling bunch.

They throw down.

Answer 2

the one who goes for the balls.

Answer 3

shaolin all the way.

9th dan, hah!  probably some guy in a suit who paid a lot of money to get his black belt.

Answer 4

Neither because they would not fight. the only reason to fight is to protect your life, and I can;t see one attacking the other out of the blue.

DMAUD- do you ever actually read your answers to see how ridiculous they sound? I am sorry to tell you but 9Th Dan is considered a master in karate. I don't see much difference in a master in Kung Fu and a master in karate. I know you are a Sholin Kung Fu nutbagger but come on, at least don't take your opinion, wrap it in a few facts that might or might not be right, and try and peddle it. No one's technique is without flaws, not even a Kung Fu master. I am quite sure that one of them would be the first to tell you that they have not gotten it all.

Answer 5

Got to go with the Kung Fu!

Answer 6

ME.

Answer 7

They both would be too old and fragile to even begin to want to fight.

It is a pretty major accomplishment (either one), and requires a lifetime commitment. Anyone with either of those titles is generally too d**n old to want to, or to be able to fight. They are honorary ranks, that have more with what you do to contribute to the art through teaching, then your combat ability.

You are talking about two 70+year old men going at it...the winner would probably be the one who had the least amount of injuries throughout his life, and therefore was actually able to stand up straight, or walk unassisted.

Answer 8

I'm not gonna give you a long winded answer, but as bruce lee says, it doesn't matter what style you know or learn, just as long as you can use it when in a fight.  He also believed that there wasn't really a style, you can do various moves with your arms and legs, but punches are punches and kicks are kicks. if humans had 4 arms and 8 legs, then we'd have a different style.

The short answer however, is the one who praticed more, but if you are asking what the best style is, thats an opinion type question. But mine is Shaolin because the chinese styles seem a little more graceful while japanese styles seem a little stiff (but powerful)

Answer 9

Probably the kung fu master, thing is, the whole reason the dan grades were invented in the first place, was to distinguish between someone who was "highly proficient" from someone who was a "master."  Because there IS a difference.  Hirokazu Kanazawa for instance, if he's still alive, is one of only a small handful of men who holds a 10th dan in Karate, or for that matter any martial art.  Even at 10th dan, I remember reading a magazine interview in which he plainly stated, he STILL does not consider himself as skillful as Gichin Funakoshi was when he studied under him.  This is from a man who went toe to toe and held his own against the mighty Bruce Lee, so impressed was Lee he incorporated some Karate into his Jeet Kune Do.

What I am trying to say is that a master anything could beat a 9th dan anything.  A Karate master, will beat a 9th dan level Shaolin monk, or someone who has trained at the temple for 15 years.  In the 20th century, only the following men were accorded the title of "master" by the Japanese;

1)  Dr. Jigoro Kano, the founder of Judo, whome Kyuzo Mifune could never successfully throw or unbalance.

2)  Morihei Ueshiba, the founder of Aikido.

3)  Ueshiba's son Kishomaru.

4)  Gichin Funakoshi, the founder of Shotokan Karate.

Of those 4, Dr. Kano was the strongest and most skillful.  Now, whether the Japanese say that because he invented and practiced Judo, or because he really was, is anyone's guess.  

Please do not mistake a 9th dan for a "master" because they're not.  If you want to see a master, look up youtube vids of Yip Man, Bruce Lee's Wing Chung teacher.  His form, was flawless.  There was absolutely no roughness or sloppyness in his movements at all the man was like a machine.  Whereas in 10th dans, even in 10th dans if you look closely you still see some errors and lack of smoothness every once in a while.

Not with Yip Man though; his movement was perfect.  Not "very good," not "highly polished;"  perfect.

Once again; a master anything, could easily face and defeat a 9th dan anything.  To be a "master," means you have reached a level of ultra efficient cocentration and neural efficiency that borders on machine-like.  That is, a master moves with the perfection of a robot, and yet, their movement has the aliveness of a person.

Even in 9th and 10th dans, again, you see some sloppyness.  A master, on the other hand, their moves are perfect, all the time, not just some or most of the time.  That ability to focus, also, gives them reflexes to the point where, well, good luck touching them.  Against a 9th or 10th dan, with luck, even a beginer will land a blow.

Someone who is a master though, against them its pretty d**n well near impossible.

Again I would say the Shaolin master but that is like asking "shaolin 9th dan vs western boxing master, who would win?"  In that case, the boxer.

Being a "master" isn't about style; its about having put so much effort into your martial art, it is literally burned into your nervous system as well as your muscles.  And like I said; the moves are always perfect, like those of a machine, a robot, but, with human aliveness.  At least from what I have observed on youtube from old footage.

Practicing martial arts with the perfection of a robot, the perfection and precision of a machine, but with human aliveness, seems impossible, as even beginers will see some sloppy movement in a 9th or 10th dan, or even in someone who has done it for decades.  However, its not; youtube footage proves as much, and arguably youtube is a more reliable source of information than wikipedia.  Where demonstrations are being conducted that is, and the footage is so old, its obvious if it was touched up or not, fake or not.

sorry I overanswered

peace out.

P.S.

I am a master of being annoying.  So I KNOW what being a master is all about.