Should Pete Rose be inducted into the hall of fame?

Question

Alright Pete Rose betted on baseball, and has been banned from the Hall Of Fame. Now as far as I see it this never altered his perfomance, if anything it should have improved. Now should he get into the HOF? If Roger Clemens, Jose Canseco, and Barry Bonds get in there thats messed up. Unfair too.

Answer 1

Jose Conseco, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, And Pete Rose should be in the hall of fame.

Answer 2

Rose broke an existing baseball rule. Clemens, Bonds, and Canseco did not break an existing baseball rule, since steroids had not yet been banned when they are alleged to have used them.

Back to Rose. If he bet on his team to win while managing them you might say that he would try extra hard to help his team win. What about the games he chose NOT to bet on his team. Even if he were not betting against his team, he still must have been prepared to do, or not do something that made him decide not to bet on that particular game. Maybe he uses up his bullpen to win the game he bet on, while sacrificing the rest of the series since he has no money on the other two games. Gambling opens up sooooo many possibilities for cheating and game fixing that it must be considered the worst offense any sport can be afflicted with.

Answer 3

Definitely should, aside from betting on baseball he was one of the greatest players to ever step foot on a baseball diamond

Answer 4

Pete is the ALL-TIME hits leader and was one of the games BEST players.He was indeed Charlie Hustle.He deserves the HOF and as for Bonds,Clemens and Canseco,they brought disgrace to treasured records and awards.Pete only brought disgrace to himself.He also got deprived of being one of the games best managers.

Answer 5

no way. just no way. its illegal, he did it. NO WAY. the reason i say this, he never said the simple words, I'M SORRY.

Answer 6

No, per Hall policy, and that's an end to this.

Stop asking about it. Everything that has befallen Rose is by his own hand. Rose broke the rules, and that bring penalties.

Answer 7

That's kind of funny how the Hit King and the Homerun King are probably not going to get inducted anytime soon.

Answer 8

I think he should be allowed...as a player. Ok, so he bet on games that he managed; there is no taking that away. That was terrible thing to do and for that, he will never be thought of highly as a manager or person by baseball fans. That being said, he is one of the greatest players of all time. Most hits of all-time, 3 world series titles, 17 all-star appearances, two gold gloves, and one MVP award. Not only did he make it to 17 all-star games, but he did it at 5 different positions, showing his flexibility.

What he did was wrong, but the hall-of-fame is about the best baseball players, not about the players with the best character. His production wasn't enhanced by anything he did (like Canseco, Bonds, Clemons, etc.) He should be allowed into the hall.

Answer 9

most definantly he should be

Answer 10

no no no no no

Answer 11

Definitely, he achieved something that no one even has a chance of ever getting close to by getting 4256 hits

That record is gonna be there for a looong time if not forever

Answer 12

yes he apoligized and everything plus he never bet against his team and admitited it

Answer 13

Yes, absolutely. The point of being a hitter is to get a hit. And he's the all time leader in HITS! The very fact that he isn't in the Hall just because he got busted by A McCarthy-like commissioner for betting on HIS OWN team is almost unbelievable. Do any of us really believe that thats a big enough deal to keep him out of the Hall? A big enough deal to keep him away from the playing field as a manager or front office exec? Sure. But it's ridiculous that baseball uses their hall of fame to regulate behavior off the field just for the sake of their image. It's borderline unconstitutional really.

Answer 14

Never. The facts are simple. Pete Rose admittedly bet on baseball. The punishment for this is being put on the permanently inelgible list. The Hall of Fame does not induct anyone who is on that list. Whether or not it affected his performance is not the issue. Neither is the fact that he was a manager when he did it. There are no exceptions to this rule for managers, for players who really hustled or for players with more then 4000 hits. While gambing is probably not as serious as illegally obtaining prescription drugs in the grand scheme of things, it is the greatest sin in terms of the world of baseball. So great is this rule that it is prominently displayed in every single major league clubhouse. While the actions of Bonds, Clemens, Canseco, Palmeiro, etc. are despicable, the bottom line is that baseball did not have rules against those substances at the time. The fact that there were players who did use those substances does not make what Rose did any less reprehensible. The argument that other people behave in objectional ways does not in any way change the fact that Rose knowingly broke this rule, and should never be used as an argument that he should ever be allowed into the Hall of fame. And Bonds or any of the other "alleged" steroid users being inducted into the Hall should not and will not ever make Rose any less guilty.

There are only a couple of things that will ever change that. One would be that a future MLB commissioner will decide to end Rose's "permanent" ineligibility. Another would be that the Hall itself changes its' rules to allow players on that list to be eligible for induction. The other would be  if somehow Rose were magically innocent (despite the fact that he admitted it.).

Regardless of how it would happen - don't hold your breath waiting for it. I am certainly in the minority when I say that I certainly hope I never see Rose within 100 miles of the Hall, let alone inducted into it.

Answer 15

no  

Answer 16

YES - YES - YES

He set the records - he is Mr. Charlie Hustle.  He earned it - he deserves it.

Answer 17

Pete Rose played dirty. Just ask Ray Fosse about the play at the plate in the All Star game. It cost Fosse his career, and Rose was not going for the plate.

Answer 18

i agree. he was one h**l of a ball player. his abilities as a player should get him in. he didn't bet on games until after he quit playing. i think he just pissed off too many of the wrong people

Answer 19

Yes he should, and I think that once we get that moron Bud Selig out, he will. Hopefully Pete is still alive when that happens =(

Answer 20

No, he shouldn't be inducted into the hall of fame.

First of all, he's ineligible to be on the ballot.

Secondly, if you remove the punishment for betting on games, then you may as well open the doors up to betting as a player, GM or manager.

Do you want a disgruntled manager, who is mad about his contract betting against the team and throwing key games?

And what if (for instance) Manny did that just to be traded?  Do you think, as a fan and the revenue source of MLB, that it's acceptable??

For the people that will argue "but, he bet on his team to win"

that changes NOTHING.  You may push players harder if you have money riding on a game.  It could affect the team and maybe the players career.

I don't know what the obsession is with getting Rose into the HOF.

Lastly, I will argue that Rose doesn't want in the HOF anyway.

Posted, in every clubhouse is the rule "NO BETTING ON BASEBALL" and the punishment is well known.  For him to bet on baseball, it's saying ' you know what, I'd be willing to take my chances on the HOF if it means a few extra dollars'

The three most confusing thoughts that I see on YA are

Rose is the best hitter because he has the most hits

Ryan is the best pitcher, just look at his K's and no hitters

Rose belongs in the HOF