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So was the trade even worth it for the pirates?

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i know they got adam laroche and i live in keen and root for the swampbats everyyear but they gave away jason bay who is an incredible hitter. they got a few other people to but was the trade actually worth it?

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  1. I'm stuck wondering who is going to have to represent them in the All-Star game next season.


  2. For sure! Now that their new GM has shown he has the guts to trade away very good ballplayers for a ton of talent that could turn out to be even better. Since the Bucs were not going anywhere this year, they decided to ensure their 2009 and 2010 teams were going to be competitive by making the last two trades. That, and the fact that they didn't have to give up LHP John Grabow in any deal. Also, getting Andy LaRoche frees up Jose Bautista for bench duty. He and Grabow may even fetch more talent in the offseason. Good job Neal Huntington.

  3. Okay, first, it's Andy Laroche (3B) who they got from the Dodgers and Adam Laroche is currently on the D.L.

    They did get Craig Hansen, who is a former 1st round draft pick, and he may become the Pirates closer.

    The Pirates do have a great prospect down at AAA, Andrew MctCutchen, who plays CF, and he may help some with the Pirates offense. I know he's currently their top prospect. He could get called up now that Bay is gone.

    At least they still have Nate McLouth for the next couple of years!

  4. Yes they got Adam LaRoche as you said who is probably the future for them, and they also got Craig Hansen who could morph into something good. And they they got two other prospects. They don't care if they have 20 straight losing seasons, they are building for the future. The two players I mentioned are probably the equivalent of Bay and they also got two other prospects. This could probably morph into something good. But in the meantime, we'll just have to wait and see

  5. No, the Pirates just continue to make poor decisions and trade their best players for mediocre prospects. That's why they're about to tie the record for consecutive losing seasons (16). It's a terrible organization... remember when they traded for Matt Morris last year? WTF was that?

  6. yes the trade was worth it was actually a good one heres why:

    After gaining pitching depth and a high-risk/high-reward player from the Yankees in exchange for an outfielder having a career year and a reliever, the Pirates added additional quality young talent in exchange for Jason Bay. Andy LaRoche is very similar to Bay offensively, can handle third base, and will be under the Pirates control through most of his prime (he can’t become a free agent until 2014). LaRoche’s major league line has been pathetic this year, but he’s still showing excellent plate discipline and hasn’t gotten a real chance. For what it’s worth, his PECOTA before the season was .280/.366/.486, and he put up excellent numbers in triple-A this year. LaRoche could be one of the better offensive third basemen right now at age 24, and has excellent upside, too.

    The Pirates also acquired a live arm in 2006 first round pick Bryan Morris, and two major leaguers – outfielder Brandon Moss and reliever Craig Hansen. Both are solid players in that they should be adequate big-leaguers; it’s questionable whether they will be above average. At least, they provide solid talent to fill holes on the team; at best, they turn into excellent trade fodder for the future.

    The Pirates managed to cash in their top three chips at the peak of their value, and added a lot of ready or near-ready young talent. General Manager Neal Huntington has the Pirates in the position where they are not looking at a 4-5 year re-building plan; rather, if Pedro Alvarez signs and develops as expected and they are able to improve their defense (their DER is a league-worst .678), this is a team that could be ready to make a run in the next year or two.

    copied from here:

    http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2008/8/...

  7. the pirates probly got it ok.

    the red sox got it good, but thats just for now.

    dodgers got it the worst to me. but thats just now

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