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The Born-Alive Bill?

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I've just recently researched this bill and it can be a bit confusing but I think I got the jist of it. Can anyone eplain why Obama is so against it and how he thinks that if a baby is born alive after an attempted abortion that they should just trust the doctors and kill the baby? That "thing," as some may call it, just took a breath, is crying and moving and yet you want to get rid of it because it was supposed to be dead? Umm.. Anyone want to explain?

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  1. i'm not confused: murder is murder.


  2. In reporting on abortion-rights opponents’ criticism of Sen. Barack Obama's opposition as an Illinois state senator to bills seeking to amend the Illinois Abortion Law of 1975, the media have promoted numerous myths and falsehoods about Obama and the legislation. In several instances, the media have simply repeated false accusations -- or made the accusations themselves -- that Obama's opposition amounted to support for infanticide. In fact, Obama and other opponents said the bill posed a threat to abortion rights and was unnecessary because, they said, Illinois law already prohibited the conduct supposedly addressed by the bill.

    On the August 18 edition of his radio show, Rush Limbaugh claimed that Obama "believes it is proper to kill a baby that has survived an abortion," while right-wing pundit Ann Coulter said that Obama "wants the doctors ... chasing it through the delivery room to make sure it gets killed." Further, author Jerome Corsi claimed that "[e]ven if a child was born, he said the woman still had the right to kill the child in an abortion," and Oregonian associate editor David Reinhard wrote that Obama's opposition was "enabling infanticide." In fact, Obama and other opponents said the bill posed a threat to abortion rights and was unnecessary because, they said, Illinois law already prohibited the conduct supposedly addressed by the bill.

    It's been said that, if it weren't for lack of context, there would be no news.

    You have to consider the source.

    One source of these claims is Jerome Corsi, who has also written that McCain made his wealth through the Mafia and that 9/11 was perpetrated by the Bush Administration.  

    Another source of these claims is Jill Stanek, who says domestic violence is acceptable against women who have abortions.  She also supports billboards in Tanzania that say "Faithful Condom Users" in English and Swahili, written next to a large skeleton, to discourage condom use.  She claims that "aborted fetuses are much sought after delicacies" in China to which she added, "I think this stuff is happening."

    Nurse Jill Stanek claimed that fetuses that were born alive at Christ Hospital in Oak Lawn, Illinois, were abandoned without treatment, including in a soiled utility room.  The Illinois Atty. General's office, then under abortion foe Jim Ryan, directed the Illinois Dept. of Public Health to conduct a thorough investigation of the claims, because what she was alleging were violations of existing law, supporting Obama's position that Illinois law already prohibited the conduct.  The investigation concluded, "The allegation that infants were allowed to expire in a utility room could not be substantiated (and) all staff interviewed denied that any infant was ever left alone."  Shafer was quick to add that neither he nor the IDPH report concluded that her testimony was untruthful or exaggerated to help advance her anti-abortion views -- simply that their investigation did not substantiate the allegations.

    Don't extremist conservatives think it might hurt their cause to put out stuff that's so easily debunked? or do they not think their audience would feel its intelligence is being insulted?

  3. doesnt make any sense to me. its a human. obama supported a doctor who did a horrible thing. A baby was born, supposed to be aborted but it didn't work, doctor delivered the baby, threw it in a black plastic trash bag and into the closet for it to die. A pro life nurse went and sat holding the baby until it died. if this was done to an animal te person doing it would be punished severely and considered a social freak show for animal cruelty, yet it can be done to a human child and they are supported. Obama supports this man, yet doent want to drill in alaska because it might kill whales and wildlife and what not! SAVE THE BABY HUMANS!
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