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The big bang theory is illogical?!?

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I am not saying that the big bang theory does not make sense. It just really does prove anything about how existence started. It eventually leads to the point where some type of energy was initially used. Leading to the conclusion that this energy had to have started somewhere right?

Isn't it logical to think that some "thing" created that energy? I am not necessarily saying that it is the Jesus/God from the Bible which is usually the base of everyone's argument against people who are against the Big-Bang. I am just saying, isn't it much more logical that something came from something instead of something out of nothing? Help me figure this out please.

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  1. You are "filtering" what we know about the universe through your human perception that time travels only in one direction, so that you believe there has to be a "before" before the "Big Bang".  This is a little like concluding that the volume of a beer glass must logically be infinite, since you have been running your finger along its edge for six straight weeks and have yet to come to an "end".


  2. I understand your question and have asked it myself many times. St Thomas Aquinas originally proposed the arguments that something had to start it all. His argument was:

    Look around. Everything has a beginning or a creator. The house we live in...the clothes we wear. Isn't it logical that there was a God who was the original/prime Creator?

    However, if you follow that argument one step further, then God must have had a creator. Who was God's creator? I'm not saying that Aquinas's arguments don't have merit or don't raise good questions. I'm just saying that the argument doesn't create an irrefutable argument for God.  

  3. look up experiments of messrs wilson and penzias for bell laboratories in 1964,,,the truth will be evident.....the big bang occured,,,,before that,god knows,,,,,and if he's real,he ain't saying

  4. Given our ability to perceive things, it does seem very illogical.  Worse, it seems to be a violation of the most fundamental laws of physics.  Cosmologists and physicists are not at all happy with this conundrum.  Unfortunately, some of them have tried to skirt the issue by inventing M-theory as an explanation for how the Big Bang occurred.  But this still fails to answer the question of where the "branes" and "strings" came from.  

    I don't believe we will ever be able to resolve this paradox.  I believe the universe is impossible to understand or even imagine at its extremes.  We can relate everything to something else, temporally and spatially, but not the universe.  It can't be compared to or contained within anything else.  There *is* nothing else.  What happened at time zero, (if there actually is such a thing) can never be known and will always involve ideas that seem utterly contradictory to our understanding of how everything *in* the universe works.  We have evidence of a Big Bang, though.  That will have to do.

    But of all the ideas about how the universe came into existence, God is the *least* plausible.

  5. But than what created the entity that created  the universe? Your just replacing one mysterious genesis with another.

    And the Big Bang theory doesn't say the universe came out of nothing. For all we know there have been several Big Bangs (and I'm not referring to the improbable Big Crunch). All the Big Bang theory states is what happened a split second after the initial cataclysm.

  6. GOD CREATED IT ALL.

    BIG BANG is WRONG!

  7. Well the answer above - God created it all requires you to say:

    "OK - and I can't know how 'God' got there, so that'll do..."

    Remember - we perceive space/time in a linear fashion - we can't understand all the dimensions (possibly more than 10) that define the reality we exist within.  Our ability to perceive is very limited.

    Certainly - it's wonderful to ask the question and ponder the answer - but we don't necessarily have to ever get the question resolved.  Science and faith - can on some level coexist rationally - and even be mutually nourishing.

    Know this - If 'God' indeed made us so smart to be asking these questions, it probably is worth using our brains and appreciating the gifts of inquisitiveness, cognition and insight.


  8. The Big Bang is not a theory of origins. It says very little indeed about times earlier than about 10^-35 seconds.

    As far as logic is concerned, no single statement such as "something came from noting" can be logical or illogical. Logic is a process, not a single statement. Whether "something came from nothing" or not is not a question of logic. It is a question of empiricism. And empirically, in the quantum world, particles are constantly created from nothing, and constantly are destroyed into nothing. So your insistence that "something must come from something" is the unscientific statement because it denies the evidence collected from nature itself.

  9. Well, let me start by saying... i don't think God created the universe either... But you know the question what caused the Big Bang to bang? It's pretty simple... Nothing. Because before The Big Bang... nothing existed. Time and space didn't exist, until the moment that small particle blew up and started our universe. i think another universe existed before our own, and it collapsed upon itself... (it got to big...) thus creating our galaxy. Does that make any sense? I hope this helped. Go and try watching a show called The Universe; Beyond the Big Bang. It explains almost everything. Scientists believe that static is proof of The Big Bang. But hey, it's only a theory, like the Big Rip, and The Big Bounce... i don't know about you, but I believe in The Big Bang, and The Big Bounce. I don't like thinking about The Big Rip cause it's kind of scary.    

  10. Nobody actually gave an opinion on the question you posed. Here is mine, for what it is worth. I don't see the logic in thinking that some " thing" created the energy. I think that the energy was already there, in trillions of pockets in the void that the singularity sprang from. Some day some some genius will figure out what triggered all those pockets of energy to coalesce into that point.  

  11.   The universe started as a potential a nothing with a beginning.

      The potential produced a single space-time pulse that contained all the ingredients necessary to evolve into the universe we see today.

  12. We have known for 80 years about the big bang.  It took us thousands of years to get to that point.  To point to our current incomplete data and say "you have no answer, therefore it was god" is to do what everyone did before we discovered electricity, bacteria, atoms, and every other scientific advance.

  13. The Big Bang is not a theory of how things were created. It is a theory as to why space is expanding.

    Edwin Hubble found out that all galaxies are speeding away from each other and that the very fabric of space must be stretching or expanding. He then made the logical connection that if space is expanding now, it must have been smaller in the past. And if you go back far enough, all of space must have been condensed to a single point.

    The Big Bang theory says nothing about how matter or energy was created. It only tells the story of what happened immediately after the universe was born. If you look at it the way I do, then it will seem completely logical. But if you look at it like some other people do, then it will definately seem illogical because you will be asking questions that the theory was never meant to answer.

  14. how can you use the word "logical" and "invisible sky daddy" (okay, I am paraphrasing!) in the same sentence?


  15. no it is quite locical people still dont know what energy and sub atoms are made of, but is like saying that evolution didnt happen

    well hello see the resemblence and plus we have almost identical genetics from monkeys we even have genetics from whales showing that in some point in their lifetime they were land creatures

    but scientist have made expieriments where they did create mass from a particle of energy

    and plus its a theory which means they dont have millions of facts to prove but they have proved it numerous times whereas the belief of god and jesus is a hypothesis, an educated guess; also christianity was made from different old religions, and they made them to help them understand the universe, but now we have science and technology to hopefully get more answers of our origins


  16. You're right in that all we can say is everything seems to point

    back to something we don't quite understand.

    As to you figuring it out, sometimes 'I don't know." is the wisest answer.

    There are those that suggest that our Universe is the inside of a singularity, (Black hole) from "somewhere else".  Does that help?

  17. the universe as we know it is expanding, some scientists think it similar to a rubber band stretching eventually it will contract again back into a bang and begin the cycle once more

  18. http://www.sumware.com/creation.html

    THAT pretty sums it all up:)

    IF you look at how much Genesis correlates with both the Big Bang theory AND evolution, then you're sure to think there just might be something to this god-game.

    The assumption that "logic" dictates everything is fallacious.  Whose logic?

    We've been taught to believe that science is the epitome of reasoning, but forget that religion once WAS science, and science today is still just THEORY.  Sure, something can be proved in a lab, but just because you can prove a theory doesn't necessarily mean it's an ABSOLUTE PROOF.

    Einstein said nothing could travel faster than the speed of light because it would gain so much mass that it would collapse in on itself, then the neutrino came along and BRIEFLY travelled faster than the speed of light---THAT had to be changed when they realised it had no mass.

    Most "scientific" theory today is based on the STILL limited mathematical knowledge of man, and God's god might well be the only one with all the answers!

  19. no one knows that answer. No one, so don't act like you're all smart and "disproving the big bang theory". They call it ex nihilo, which is greek for out of nothing. Right now, that and God is the best guess we have (even though God is real and is certainly not a guess)


  20. its a theroy as like all the others you learn inbiology or earth science

  21. Two possibilities:  A) something has ALWAYS existed, and thus no start   or B) something did come from nothing

    So far, I haven't seen any reasonable explanation about why this matter and energy cannot have existed on its' own, but something even more complex can exist without being created.  

    The only logical thing to do is admit that we have nowhere near the knowledge base to make any sort of informed conjecture on the subject.    

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