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The borderlines of actual state of israel are from the Bible?

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I mean.. all the borderlines were inspired from the Bible.. in the book of ezekiel or I don't remember..what book says that..

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  1. Well, the book is Ezekial and in it God says as follows:

    Eze 47:15  "This shall be the boundary of the land: On the north side, from the Great Sea by way of Hethlon to Lebo-hamath, and on to Zedad,

    Eze 47:16  Berothah, Sibraim (which lies on the border between Damascus and Hamath), as far as Hazer-hatticon, which is on the border of Hauran.

    Eze 47:17  So the boundary shall run from the sea to Hazar-enan, which is on the northern border of Damascus, with the border of Hamath to the north. This shall be the north side.

    Eze 47:18  "On the east side, the boundary shall run between Hauran and Damascus; along the Jordan between Gilead and the land of Israel; to the eastern sea and as far as Tamar. This shall be the east side.

    Eze 47:19  "On the south side, it shall run from Tamar as far as the waters of Meribah-kadesh, from there along the Brook of Egypt to the Great Sea. This shall be the south side.

    Eze 47:20  "On the west side, the Great Sea shall be the boundary to a point opposite Lebo-hamath. This shall be the west side.

    Eze 47:21  "So you shall divide this land among you according to the tribes of Israel.

    But, no...the boundaries of the modern state of Israel do not match this description as there is a difference between Israel and the "promised land" of the Bible. The modern nation of Israel while founded as a homeland for the Jews and while existing on part of what would be considered the "promised land" is a secular nation. Actually, "the promised land" of the Bible would be much bigger than the modern state of Israel. Have a great day and God bless you.

    Edit: Because I feel that it is not right to pick and choose from the word of God I will post the last 2 verses of this chapter also. They read as follows:

    Eze 47:22  You shall allot it as an inheritance for yourselves and for the sojourners who reside among you and have had children among you. They shall be to you as native-born children of Israel. With you they shall be allotted an inheritance among the tribes of Israel.

    Eze 47:23  In whatever tribe the sojourner resides, there you shall assign him his inheritance, declares the Lord GOD.


  2. I think it gives a purer biblical border explanation when one looks to other source.  The reason I say this is that with Ezekiel and other references in scripture there are other factors to introduce, which are battle related.  

    If we are talking purely biblical borders in relation to the modern state of Israel and the "promised land"  it's more accurate to quote Deuteronomy.

    Deut 1:8 See, I place this land at your disposal. (which was the greater reference to land, Euphrates etc.)

    Deut 27:2 As soon as you have crossed the Jordan into the land that the L-rd your G-d is giving you, you shall set up large stones.

    Moses did not cross the river, remember? So to me the biblical borders in this context are roughly the area you see in Israel today, including Judea and Samaria (west bank) and Gaza.  Moses led us to the Jordan, but expansed of the rest of the land being "at our disposal."

    There are ancient map shifts with tribes etc that give or take but most people today don't bicker about that.  This is the way it worked out and to me Israel is exactly where she should be.

    I do NOT support anti-Israel people saying that Israel's flag denotes from the Nile to Euphrates.  I see biblical reference for and against but Israel has not been about a modern "conquering" nation in that regard.  Israel's been more about a "defending" nation that takes land won in war.

    The flag denotes biblical prayer shawl with  most common to have blue stripes and has nothing to do with biblical borders.

    But, if people want to keep fighting then yes no problem we will continue to win land in war. Their fighting Israel like that may very well be that they brought that curse upon themselves. To me, the ancient borders and the Prophets show biblical authorization because the land was already deemed "at our disposal."

  3. Borderlines might have been inspired by the Bible, but modern borders are created by governments (mostly western Europe) (As can be seen in Africa, the Middle East--and is to blame for most of the problems there; ie genocide in Africa, and Palestine-Israel conflict)

  4. No, that's a different Israel. Same name, some of the same geography, but a different country.

    The Israel mentioned in Biblical text was subsumed repeatedly by other states/empires over the course of several thousand years. It largely ceased to exist.

    The borders of the modern state of Israel were set on May 14, 1948. you can find the text of Israel's declaration of statehood on the Israeli foreign ministry website.

    http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Peace%20Proces...

    It's borders are now set by international law and are quite different from it's biblical borders. For example many parts of Biblical Israel are now in neighboring Jordan and Palestine.

  5. The original borders were set by the UN in the 40's.

    I doubt the Jews or the UN spent alot of time looking at the Christian bible maps.

    Look in Genesis first.

  6. The State of Israel has only existed since 1948.  The Bible was written before 1000 BCE.  There were no actual borders then.  Biblical Judea was just as much in flux (in terms of borders) as, say, Poland or Hungary was before 1900.  Wars, acquisitions, and losses, chnaged the borders pretty often.  

    The decision to put a Jewish State where Israel is was based on a number of factors:

    the fact that Jerusalem is there,

    the fact that the people had been settling there for abotu 100 years,

    the fact that there was really no one else where theywere settling, nor did anyone WANT to be...it was all malarial swampland.

    The war in 1948, which instantly doubled the amount of land from the small piece of malarial swampland, to include just as much arid desert...completely useless land, according to anyone who had been there.  

    And the war in 1967, although most of the gains made in that war have been returned.  Much of that, as well, was useless desert that no one really wants, except that it was given to Israel in a treaty.  Egypt doesn't really need the Sinai.

    Actual borders have nothing to do with anything Biblical, they are modern, just as the state is modern.

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