The girl attacked and beaten up for a you tube video will now be home schooled. Do you think....?

Question

Do you think she will miss the "socialization" that everyone claims is so important? Is this the type of social interaction that anti-homeschoolers claim is so important for development in our youth?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,348908,00.html

Answer 1

I wonder if the parents of the victim are wishing they had started homeschooling sooner... much sooner.

Answer 2

I don't believe my kids miss anything by being homeschooled.  They all have good friends and they see a way more people than they did when they were in school.  Even if they didn't, I'd rather have society's definition of a less socialized child than a frightened one who has been brutally gang beaten.  A lot of people will say that this is an isolated incident, but I don't believe it for a second.  I think this stuff is happening a lot more than we think.  The whole idea of a "no bullying policy" is laughable.  Maybe this girl did something wrong, but it can't be worse than eight kids pre-meditating and then going through with plans to assault her.  In junior high, I had a girl showing me a knife every day for about eight weeks and telling me that was the day she was going to kill me.  My five year old was held down and had his clothes and shoes stuffed full of playground rocks by two third graders.  According to the bystanders (who did nothing), he was crying and begging them to stop.  Where was the teacher?  Around the corner sneaking a cigarette with another teacher.  This is one of the "good" schools.  She wasn't even reprimanded.  None of my children will ever be in that kind of situation again. These brutal kids get away with so much right under the noses of the "authorities".  Then, if they can't get away with it at school, they do it somewhere else.  This was not one kid, it was eight.  If that's anybody's idea of socialization, I'll pass, thanks.

To HolyLamb:  Great question.

To Yahoo Answer's Finest:  Your vigilante vision of fighting violence with violence is alarming and practically criminal.  You're a good example of the kind of people I'm trying to keep my kids away from.  If my kids were in school and a few of your type were lurking about, I'd be worried indeed. Thank you for inadvertently exemplifying one of the more poignant reasons that people homeschool.

To Yahoo Answer's Finest:  You said yourself that you were homeschooled up until grade eight, meaning you spent your high school years in school.  Whether the  kind of behavior you described was created at school or at home doesn't really matter to me, but if you learned it all at home, I am truly sorry for you. I'm not trying to put you down.  I'm also trying to show one of the reasons why I don't want my kids in school.

Answer 3

I'm convinced that a lot of anti-homeschoolers are unaware of what is going on in their own children's schools, yet try to speak as some type of authority on homeschooling--while being totally uninformed about the merits of homeschooling.

The assault that was perpetrated on this young girl was horrific, but having lived on the south side of Chicago, I know these kinds of assaults occur on a daily basis.  I kept my son out of those kinds of environments to the best of my ability.  He attended public school pre-K and about eight weeks of public school first grade.  Now, I am blessed to live in the most affluent area of the city.  Yet, when I went last week to enroll my son for speech therapy at this affluent school, I observed disorderly conduct, loud talking, and disobedience among the students firsthand.

There is, for the most part, no positive social interaction in many public schools, and no one can convince me otherwise.  I saw it on a weekly basis, as I waited for my son to come out of speech therapy.  My son, as a 2nd grader, received speech therapy and consultative occupational therapy through a public school in a working class south side neighborhood.  The school had about 1,300 students, including grades pre-K  through 8.  A school official told me one boy forced another male child to perform fellatio on him on a regular basis in the boy's bathroom; the behavior stopped when the school caught the perpetrator.  The victim's mother pulled him out of the school.  Sadly, irreverisible damage has already been done to this poor child.  Yet another boy sodomized a special education student on the way to school.

I would venture to say that even the public schools in affluent areas have similar stories that no one knows about.  This school official told me the schools do not report these happenings to the police, and therefore, these crimes are kept, for the most part, out of the news media.

I would not send any child of mine to a public (or many private) schools.

Answer 4

I always find this question fascinating, as it is asked often today.   Socialization?  

Being beaten, attacked??  Socialization?

So much happens in schools today, most parents have no idea, unless they hang around schools and do much volunteer work , and look to SEE how it really is.

Whats more important this child learning to socialize and possible being killed, or this child remaining safe at home, and learning in the safety of her/his own home?

These kids have their entire life to learn. And not only that, most kids today that are homeschooled have been shown how to do it in a way where the kids are together and learning to be socialized by meeting other home schooled kids, etc.

Whats is more important is that we keep our children safe.

And  also, to raise them without all of the lies that are taught from schools today, that there are no gods, no Jesus, but hey its kool to talk about ALLAH.

Its ok to teach very very early about s*x, they just gotta know.  but, Oh my, try to teach them about creation and those of the world come unhinged.

When do we realize that we are responsible for what our children learn, and keeping them alive is foremost, and being sure they are taught about Jesus is equal with that.  Then the other things of life, we can teach and show them, including learning how to get along with other kids.

How can they learn how to get along in school when safety is such an issue today?

Once when my son was in 8th grade, I noticed on several walls in school, numbers for the rape hotline. I asked about it, and they said so much happens today in schools that they have to provide that type of info.

How much learning comes when a kid is so afraid in school that they are scared to pieces?

When  I realized my girls were so afraid in school, I took them out and put them in Christian schools, only to see how much was creeping in there as well.  As many who have rebellious kids that they cant control, that the public schools dont want, will put them in Christian schools, trying to straighten them up, even when they arent Christian?

The only way I would school a child today is homeschool, and then you and God deceide what your children learn.

Great question...

Sister Shirley

Answer 5

Kids can be so mean.

Missing out on socialization should not be the only reason you send your kids to public school, just like school violence should not be the only reason to home-school your kids (in general, not in reference to the case here).

There's a risk in everything- parental control has to be at a healthy level. If not, kids might rebel from being so restricted, or run wild from never having boundaries. Parents have to find a balance. For some kids, that means to home school, for others, public school might be appropriate. You can't make a blanket statement that it's best for all children to be schooled one way.

Answer 6

Many people will respond that this type of thing is an 'isolated' incident.  However, these incidents are becoming more and more common.  I personally feel that sending children to public school is in some ways like playing Russian roulette.  We have never regretted our decision to homeschool my son.  He gets plenty of wholesome socialization, and is very well-adjusted.  I understand that many parents may really have no choice but to send thier kids to public school.  I'm just thankful that I am able to stay at home and teach mine.  We plan on homeschooling our three other little ones too.

Answer 7

No. If anything, she will probably be introduced into a better society. The nice thing about homeschooling is that you have a lot of control about the people you hang around. I can do without the disgusting habits that the people my age in school have now. I attend a baptist church regularly, and I hand around with my youth group. I see them at church 3 times a week, plus youth activities. I don't think that I am missing any social agenda! Even your parents friends. You learn a lot of good people skills this way when you are with people a lot wiser and smarter than you.

The reason people are soooo much against homeschooling is that they are going to miss the chance of perverting and brainwashing the mind of your child with their ways.

God Bless!

Answer 8

my child is homeschooled and I think that the girl will have a hard time because it seems like she may thrive on socializtion more than schooling.

I think that it is an adjustment period for every homeschooler because they have to get use to doing school work under the supervision of their parents.

My son goes out with another family who homeschools their boys my son maybe 6 but he is benefiting from learning and not lunchtime or fights or showing off.

Answer 9

We teach our kids that they are animals in Public school and then expect them to act like human beings. What's wrong with that picture?

Our kids are taught in public schools that they are part of the evolutionary process. They evolved from the sludge that came from the rain and rocks. Their ancestors were dinosaurs and apes. After all; all life comes from the sludge. We teach them that they are animals and nothing more.

The Bible teaches that were are a creation fearfully and wonderfully made. Given a purpose and and free choice. It teaches that you are good and different from all the animals. We are set above to rule over.

Stark contrasts.

What happened to this poor girl is sad. She will recover from this and move on with her life and hopefully will forgive her attackers. Her attackers on the other hand have ruined theirs. They will get what they deserve and I hope the victims parents pursue it to the very end. Even if the end is suing the parents of her attackers. I'm glad to see they will start home schooling her maybe they can undo some of the damage done by public school socialization.

If we teach them they are animals can we expect them to act any differently?

Answer 10

Excellent snark Holy Lamb.

I do get the joke and I am not a fan of public school, but I did notice that the fight happened in a home, not a school. Where were the parents?

Answer 11

This was a REALLY SICK incident.  I hs my kids for LOTS of reasons, and only a small one is to avoid the violence in the schools - but that small reason would be reason enough!

Answer 12

this day and time I think that if I had the skills and patience that I would home school my children.They still can get "socialization" they attend church,and many home school children can still be part of activites such as scouts,and can go on trips and be with other home schooled children.

Answer 13

I don't want to make any judgments until the whole story comes out.  Last night the mother of one of the girls was interviewed on TV and said that the victim had been living with her daughter, who was living with her grandmother.  Even though the mother lives in the same city.  Weird.  The victim had apparently been kicked out of her home.  The mother and the grandma both admitted they didn't really know any of the attackers and had never met their parents.  What kind of parent/caretaker doesn't take the time to meet/know their child's friends/freind's parents?

Obviously, all these girls have problems.  No matter what the vitim said online about the other girls, there is no excuse for behavior like that.  In my oppinion, they need to be tried as adults.

Answer 14

Point well made!  If that's what socialization is all about then I want my kids to be maladjusted misfits.

Answer 15

Dude I would homeschool her too. This world is OUT OF CONTROL! I would homeschool anyways though as I love the Lord and want to teach my children to love the Lord, and by the time my younger ones are in highschool who knows what they will be teaching them at public schools. I praise God mine go to a christian elementary school right now--- and even christian schools are not perfect, there are always rebellious kids no matter where you look. It's sad- SO SAD!!

Answer 16

I am 20-years-old. When I was in the last part of my first semester of being a senior, I was assaulted by a guy at my school. I was promised by the school authorities that he would be taken out of the school-he wasn't. I saw him one day as I was walking down the hall. He eventually was allowed to finish school at home, but everytime I walked in the front door of that school building, I was terrified. I didn't want to be there, it was too difficult. I talked to the counselor that was working with me at the time and she said it was possible for me to finish high school at home. I spent the last semester of my senior year at home.

My friends didn't understand and my mom thought it was ridiculous, but I couldn't handle being in school. I was diagnosed with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). After finishing school at home, I got in the habit of staying home to protect myself from harm. Essentially, my brain got re-wired that way: that if there was the chance of something bad happening, staying home would solve the problem. Now I am in the process of healing from agoraphobia and panic attacks which were caused from the assault (and another one that happened at home).

I say this to shed new light on staying home. I understand what she went through, to an extent, and I know what it's like to be afraid to face that. But when someone retreats to their home, in a lot of cases, it does more harm than good. I pray she receives healing and wholeness after this. But I do not think the best move is to have her homeschooled. Maybe for a couple weeks until she recovers somewhat, but not much longer than that.

Answer 17

Well, my child who was almost murdered by a classmate is doing great by being schooled in the real world instead of in a classroom setting.

She has many more friends of all ages and backgrounds than any schooled child could hope for.

The violence is missing, but hey.  One can't have everything.  :/

Answer 18

YES She'll miss the abusive public school sick socialization and good riddance to it!  

Public schools are nothing more than a playground for devilish behaviour and children who are truly loved and cared about do not belong there.

Answer 19

Bestest Mommy... claims their are two sides to every story, and well there is.  However, that does not mean that the girl did ANYTHING to provoke this.

Kids do turn on other kids for no reason... or at least without provocation.  It is reason enough for them if the other kid is different in some way, or doesn't wear the style of clothes that everyone else wears, or comes from a poor family, or comes from a rich family, or answers too many questions in class so that the other students "look bad" for not participating.

I was beat up often in one school because I was one of only a small handful of white kids in a predominately Hispanic school population.  In another school, I did nothing at all, but some girls boyfriend decided he liked me... I had a boyfriend who didn't go to the same school and I had no interest in stealing this guy from her... but still she was jealous that he liked me and so she hated me, she was popular so everyone else hated me too.  It became such a "sport" for everyone to pick on me that new kids were starting to do it without even knowing why.

Yeah... I bet she really misses that socialization.

Answer 20

The child I'm sure is emotionally distraught.  She's already in high school, I don't think she'll be missing much as far as socialization.  She needs time to heal and  I think home schooling is a good decision that her parents made.

Answer 21

Since we started homeschooling our daughter I have had many people become agitated that our daughter is lacking socialization opportunities. To paraphrase what another person wrote, this is what we respond with now:

On Monday we will corner our daughter in the bathroom and give her a wedgie.

On Tuesday we will steal her homework.

On Wednesday we will call her horrible names until she cries.

On Thursday we will spit in her food at lunch time.

On Friday we will slash the tires on her bike.

Our daughters social life has improved greatly since we pulled her out of public school. As for the girl in question, I hope for the best and hopefully she will get some counseling.

Answer 22

I saw this video a few days ago, I can't believe those girls got so mad about some stupid words on myspace. I don't think she'll miss socialization because I think the whole thing about homeschool kids not being socialized is a myth and she will probably feel safer outside of the school setting. So she will be more willing to interact with people. I think she would be more likely to miss socialization if she continued in public school because she would probably be afraid all the time.

Answer 23

what happened to this girl was sooo wrong....i have a daughter her age and it would kill me if this happened to her...HOWEVER.... i want to know the entire story. girls just don't turn on their friends for no reason. i want to know what this girl did to make her friends turn on her. i'm not saying she deserved to be hurt...but i want to know what happened. there are two sides to every story.

years ago...i know a (now grown woman) woman who had a friend who was cheating on her boyfriend. this woman and a bunch of her friends pretty much did the same thing to her friend that happened to this girl in the video...but they took it one step further...they chopped off all her beautiful, long, blonde hair.

Answer 24

I'm only just hearing about this because I live in another country. That's just wrong! What is wrong with some of the teenagers nowadays (in my country, as well)? Poor girl...

Children subject each other to so much agony....both physical and emotional. I speak from personal experience...I was born with Erb's palsy in my right arm and was teased mercilessly in high school. People have no idea what that can do to your self esteem.

Anyway...I think she should be homeschooled for the duration of high school. Firstly, if she goes back to school she may be targeted by other kids. I don't mean physically as such...teenagers can be so cruel to each other and I'm sure other kids at school won't let her forget about the entire incident. Secondly, she probably doesn't even want to go back to school and there's no sense in forcing her.

I personally don't see anything wrong with hiring a tutor to teach her at home. Counselling may also be a good idea.

Answer 25

There's a lot of misconceptions about homeschooling.

There are good homeschoolers and bad homeschoolers, just like there are good public schools and bad public schools.

A bad homeschooler, can be doing more harm then good to their child by keeping them home. A bad homeschooler uses a loose schedule, sub par curriculmn and ignores the idea of socilization.

However, these "bad" examples, aren't neccesarily the rule. All academic arguments aside, homeschooling doesn't lead to poor socialization skills by default. There are actually homeschooling co-ops out there, which form sports leagues and other extra curricular events that offer great opportunities for socialization. Aside from which, unless you are locking your kid under lock and key 24-7, there are normal social circumstances in which kids come into contact with other kids and people, like in neighborhood play and other social gatherings.

My personal attraction to homeschooling, is the manner in which children are being treated in schools these days. It's not like when I went to school, these days everyone expects the worse from kids thanks to sensationalized media coverage, and as a result our children's rights may not be as protected as we would like.

Answer 26

Take God out of the school and this is what it comes down to.  I don't give a l**k about social interaction at school, my child get interact at church.  Today's youth have become a vile group in part, then again, AMEN, their are the younger generation that are seeking God and making movements to be a witness to his name!

Answer 27

Socialization is extremely overrated.

Our oldest son was in the third grade. He was very quiet and received great grades. After school two fifth grade students (brothers) beat the h**l out of him in the hallway because they though he was a nerd. The principal refused to do anything about it because there were no witnesses for our son even though he was bleeding and his eye was swollen up.

I had my son point out the two kids and on the way to the car with their dad I caught up with the father and beat the h**l out of him in front of his kids. He looked horribly ridiculous getting knocked around all over the parking lot in front of his bullying kids.

Since then we have home schooled both of our kids.

Socialization does not mean attacking other students, or harassing other students, or putting other students down. Yet, in public schools it happens every day. Public school kids make fun of home schooled kids accusing them of having no friends.

Let's just say for one moment that that is true. If that be the case, then public schooling kids care nothing for education but what friends they have. What about the third graders recently that plotted an attack on their teacher?

Or the teacher that was attacked and beaten by a student in her own class for telling the student to sit down?

Socialization like this leads to murders, rapes, and a life of serious time behind bars. But the public school parents always have an excuse for why their kids are such retards. (Retards meaning they were born normal but chose to be retards later.)

Our sons are incredibly happy at home and hate public schools. Our sons definitely learn a h**l of a lot more than public school kids do.

Can a public school kid find water in the desert? Our kids can. Can a public school kid build a shelter to keep out of the cold or start a fire without matches or make it out alive without a cell phone or mommy's credit cards? Our kids can.

I'll list five things here that were part of a 100 question history test and let's see if public school kids 11 and up can answer them. Our kids averaged 92% on this.

1. When was the first battleship invented and by what country?

2. What was General George Crook's Starvation March

3. Who was Charles Drew and what was his contribution to modern medical science?

4. Who was Sir Alexander Fleming and Howard Walter Florey?

5. Who was Marie Curie and what was her invention?

The girl that was beaten down in the video, even if she goes to home schooling she will be ridiculed for having no friends. She will be harassed for this until the day she dies.

But at least she's not a bullying coward. At least her education will mean more than a public school kid's education.

If anything, the one thing she has learned already, is that public school kids are absolute morons at times.

Yes, I am proud of our children and I love bringing this up because I know they aren't attacking other students or making fun of others.

Answer 28

OH MY GOD.

Answer 29

I saw that and it was bad! and just because that girl said some c**p?! i mean it happen to me and some of my friends we just talked and made up not go knock the girl out! i think home schooling would most likely be best or maybe an other school just not that one lol.

Answer 30

I don't see how her being homeschool will cause her to miss socialization. I was home school up until grade 8, and I had plenty of friends. Unless you live so far out in the Country that your neighbours are miles away, you should have no problem keeping in touch with other people. Being home schooled also didn't stop me from getting into fights. I loved fighting, and I still consider it to be a sport. I used to just walk around my neighbourhood looking for fights. You win some, you lose some. That girl obviously started something with those other girls first, posting S**t about them on the Internet or whatever the case (which for some strange reason we aren't allowed to see... hmn, one sided reporting anyone?), and she deserved the beating she got.

Last year, I punched out two different kids, on two different days. Then they set it up so that those two, and two more of their friends, could jump me out in the Country. I had a good idea what was happening (just as I'm willing to be this girl did, before going to that house), and I went anyways. I got the S**t kicked out of me pretty bad. Steel toed boots against my face full force. I was so soaked in blood that it ruined everything I was wearing down to my shoes. The left side of my face was out further then my nose. This happened ten minutes from a police station. What did I do... I hitchiked home, being careful not to let any of the cops see me doing so.

These idiots from this video dry snitched on themselves, posting the video like that.

Either way, the "victim" shoudln't press charges, she got what was coming... Live and learn, she must have been expecting to get back what she dished out eventually.

Answer 31

My heart breaks for that poor girl and I do not blame her parents for making the decision to homeschool her.

As for "socialization" no one needs to be socializing with the w***e tr**h who did this to her, or any other w**** tr*** for that matter.