There is no such thing as Shia?

Question

There is no such thing as Shia... it was made 300 years after Muhammed SAW died PBUH. So anything you create after the prophet of Allah SAW leaves is your own demize and doing. Make Shahada under the tree and come to good. inshAllah amin. Everything after Muhammed is fabrication to make things for mankind, not for Allah. Make no mistake with that, or you will have followed those errors to your doom and ultimate terror!

No one told you to seperate you did that all by yourself. Muhammed SAW told you clearly the deen is perfect and he was still alive. Anything you did after he left is your own error. True or Faulse?

Answer 1

no where have you come in from :S?

Answer 2

Muhammad(saw) said:

"He who innovates something in this matter of ours that is not of it will have it rejected."

Answer 3

Shias are brainwashed, no point in arguing with them.

Edit

@ 1st answerer. You r wrong.

The Prophet said, 'If there were to be a prophet after me it would be 'Umar ibn al-Khattab"

He didn say "Ali"

Answer 4

listen weather u like it or not there is shia's so what ever u say will not change anything and plz stop cuzing problems

Answer 5

@ not afraid

"For whoever I am his Leader (mawla), 'Ali is his Leader (mawla)."

and he is Ali(A.S.), the son of Abu Talib, my brother and wasiyy (successor); and wilayah (obedience to him and love for him) has been made obligatory by Allah, the Powerful, the Exalted.

not ur killer umar

Answer 6

and how many years after the prophet had died were the hadiths written?

answer this question please

edit: so since the hadiths were written wayyyy after the death of the prophet then why do many many muslims use it as a way of "obligation"

i.e. things like hijab,etc...

these things shouldnt be taken to such an extreme then should they not?

Answer 7

Logic will tell you if there was no Shia, there was no Sunni sect too..... only Muslims.

So will all Sunni's meet their doom too?

Answer 8

there was no such thing as shiasm which i completely agreee with u .Shiaism was created by a jew.All shias are either brainwashes or trained hypocrites.i hope that our shia brothers will understand what disastarous conclusion are they going to suffer.Lets pray there is no such thing as shia very soon.

Answer 9

muhammed (Saww) said to follow imam ali(As) after he passed away

we follow what muhammed(saww) says (sunnat al rahsool)

therefore we are correct.

is there a problem in following rahsools words ?

edit -

do u act stupid or are u realy STUPID ?

look at u ignorants man

are u denying that muhammed(saww) appointed imam aLi(as) as mawla after himself ?

Answer 10

You just did  post a pathetic babble.

My definition of pathetic babble: Asserting my beliefs repeatedly.

May I ask one question? How old are you?

Answer 11

lolz .... So i guess then there is no such thing as hadiths either since they came 300 years after Muhammad(pbuh)

Answer 12

OPEN YOUR EYES READ THIS

READ THE PEN AND PAPER HADITH FROM SAHIH BUKHARI

READ KHUME_GHADEER HADITH FROM YOU SAHIH BOOKS.

Do not live in fool's paradise. ALLAH knows every thing.

"When news reached Abu Bakr that the people had gathered in the house of 'Ali and were refusing to give bayya, he sent Hadhrath Umar in their direction. Umar called out to Akraan who was in the house of 'Ali, but he refused to come out. Umar then said:

'I swear by He who controls the life of Umar, if you people do not come out of the house I shall set fire to it, and everyone inside shall perish. The people said 'Abu'l Hafs (Umar), Fatima (daughter of Rasulullah (s)) is also in this house'. Umar replied, 'I do not care about this, people should leave the house of 'Ali and give bayya'. 'Ali replied I have sworn that I shall not set foot outside my home until I have completed compiling the Qur'an.'



Sayyida Fatima arrived at the door and said:

'I have no association with those individuals that acted in such a manner as to abandon the funeral of Rasulullah (s) (ie Abu Bakr, Umar and co), and on this matter (leadership) they decided themselves (ie stole the khilafat), they did not even so much as consult us. They also took that which was rightfully ours (Fadak). Umar then left and he began to dispute with Abu Bakr, 'Do not leave (in peace) those that are refusing to give bayya'. Abu Bakr then sent his servant Qunfaaz to summon 'Ali. Qunfaaz reached 'Ali and said 'The Khalifa of Rasulullah (s) is summoning you'. 'Ali replied (mocking this new title of Abu Bakr) 'You have gone against the words of Rasulullah (s)'. Qunfaaz relayed these words to Abu Bakr, upon hearing this he (Abu Bakr) spent a considerable amount of time weeping. Despite his sending his Servant, 'Ali still did not come.

Then Hadhrath Umar accompanied by a group, arrived at the house of Fatima and began to bang on the door. When Fatima heard their voices she proclaimed loudly:

'O people, after Rasulullah (s), the son of Khattab..'

When the people heard Fatima's voice and her anguish they left in grief weeping, fearing that their hearts would be torn apart� Only Umar and some others remained, the rest returned to their homes. They removed 'Ali from his home by force and brought him before Abu Bakr, and said 'Give him bayya'. Umar said:

'By Allah, who alone is worthy of worship, I shall otherwise strike off your neck'.

'Ali replied:

'Would you kill a Slave of Allah (swt) and the brother of the Prophet?'

Umar replied 'I accept that to you are a Slave of Allah, but not that you are the brother of the Prophet (ie he accuses Ali (as) of lying)'.

Abu Bakr remained silent, and Umar said:

'Why are you not demanding the bayya from him?'

Abu Bakr replied 'As long as Fatima is by his side, I shall not pressure him'.

Then 'Ali went to the grave of Rasulullah, embraced it crying aloud 'Your Ummah now considers me to be weak and they wish to murder me'.

Meanwhile Umar said to Abu Bakr 'Accompany me to see Fatima as we have incurred her anger'.

They both wanted to see Fatima and so they approached 'Ali, who took them to see her. He ['Ali] sat them down but Sayyida Fatima turned her face away from them. They both conveyed salaam to Fatima but she did not reply. Hadhrath Abu Bakr then said 'Beloved daughter of Rasulullah (s) I love you more than my own daughters, and I cannot tolerate the fact that I remained alive on the day that your father had died. I know your exalted rank and status, but I did not uphold your claim for possessions as Rasulullah had stated 'Our property will not be inherited, whatever we (i.e. prophets) leave is Sadaqa (to be used for charity)'.

Fatima said 'If I remind the two of you about a hadith that you are aware of, will you then act in accordance with it?'

The two said 'Yes, do tell us'.

She said 'I want you to swear by Allah if you can testify to hearing this hadith:

"Fatima's happiness is my happiness and her anger is my anger. Whoever has maintained friendship with Fatima had maintained friendship with me, whoever upsets her, upsets me".

Both confirmed hearing this hadith from Rasulullah(s). Sayyida Fatima then said:

I testify before Allah (swt) and his Angels that you (Abu Bakr and Umar) have upset me, you did not keep me happy and I shall complain to Rasulullah (s) about this when I see him.

Abu Bakr then said 'I seek protection from Allah's anger and your (the Prophet (saws)'s) anger'. At that moment tears filled Abu Bakr's eyes and Sayyida Fatima said:

'I shall curse you in every prayer.'

Abu Bakr left the house hysterical and screamed at the crowd of people that had gathered outside:

'You people have it (so) easy and go to your beds in peace with your wives at night, whilst you have engulfed me in a terrible crisis (of conscience). I do not need your bayya, revoke the bayya that has been given to me.'

The people said 'Khalifa of Rasulullah (s) the Khilafat cannot work without you at the helm'.

The list of Sunni scholars that have recorded this event in their books:

   1. al Imama wa al Siyasa pages 18-30 Dhikr Bayya Abu Bakr

   2. Tareekh Abul Fida Volume 1 page 156 Dhikr bayya Abu Bakr; we relied on the Urdu translation by Maulana Kareem'ud Deen al Hanafi pages 177-179;

   3. Iqd al Fareed page 179

   4. Tareekh al Tabari Volume 13 page 1818 Dhikr Wafaath Nabi, we relied on the English translation Volume 9 page 187

   5. al-Istiab, by Ibn Abd al-Barr Volume 1 page 246 Dhikr Abdullah in Abi Quhafa

   6. Sharh ibn al Hadeed Volume 1 page 157

   7. Al Mihal wa al Nihal Volume 1 page 77, Dhikr Nizameeya

   8. Muruj adh-Dhahab by Abd al-Hasan Ali ibn al-Husayn al Masudi Volume 3 page 198

   9. Izalath ul Khifa by Al Muhaddith Shah Waliyullah Dehlavi Volume 2 page 226 (Urdu translation, Qur'an Mehal publishers, Karachi)

  10. al Bayana Izalathul Khifa Volume 2 page 29

  11. Tareekh Kamil by Ibn Atheer Volume 11 page 113

  12. Tareekh Ahmadi by Ahmad Husayn Khan Sahib pages 111-112

  13. Taufa Ithna Ashari, by al Muhaddith Shah Abdul Aziz Dehlavi page 292 Dhikr Muthain Umar

  14. Al Murthada by Hafidh Abdul Rahman al Hanafi page 45 (Amritsar edition)

  15. Mukhthasar Kanz al Ummal bur Hushiya Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal Volume 2 page 184 (Egypt).

  16. Kitab Mukhthasar fi Ahbar al Bashar Volume 1 page 156

  17. Tahqeeq Mubashraab Sunni page 110 bu Maulana Waheedudin Khan al Hanafi

  18. Ansar Ashraf, by al-Baladhuri, v1, pp 582-586

  19. Tareekh Ya'qubi, v2, p116

  20.  Fathul Aineen page 88

  21. al Faruq Volume 1 page 92 Dhikr Saqeefa Bani Sa'ada

  22. Ruh al Mustafai Volume 3 page 36