Tibet situation....sympathise with the Chinese?

Question

In protest of a generation of Chinese rule, the natives in Tibet are breaking into Chinese shops and destroying / torching them. Dozens of innocent Chinese shopkeepers have been burnt to death. The Chinese authorities are using force to end the protest, and supposedly to protect the civilians. While I cant bring myself to say I support the Chinese action, I can understand it. How do you feel?

Answer 1

What is happening right now in Tibet is clearly an organized, well planned VIOLENT "incident" by Dalai Lama who is funded by anti-China foreign government. They picked the moment right before Olympics.

Those people who "protest" are thugs. You can see in the video, they are burning down shops, cars on the streets. They would have been arrested in ALL countries for doing this.

By the way, Dalai Lama was the biggest slave owner in Tibet. All the land in TIbet were owned by the monks who were serving Dalai Lama. Majority population were bonded to the land owned by those monks. There was no such thing as "Tibet freedom" before communists took over. Western anti-communists mass media brainwashed people to believe Dalai Lama is a peace loving monk, because they want to demonlize the Chinese government.

Just take a good look at the videos in the following links. Those aren't even "protests", it's CRIME.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxWZuRHpv...

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYdnkUbzg...

Answer 2

Ask yourself how many Monasteries have the Chineses burnt down since invading Tibet?

Answer 3

This may answer your question：

First, a correction is long overdue: the word “China” or  ÃƒÂ¢Ã‚€ÂœChinese”  cannot be found in “China’s” language or in “Chinese” rich history records. What? Are you kidding? NO, I AM NOT KIDDING!

1) “China” and “Chinese” were imposed /used by the Europeans. A simple explanation might be a convenient reference to the place where a bowl of porcelain was made. But, before the Europeans first lay their eyes on a china, be it a rice bowl or a tea cup, the peoples living in that place already had a name for their country. It is called Zhong Guo.  Its literal translation is: the Middle Kingdom.

2) What about its peoples? How do they address each other? There are over fifty ethnicities living in Zhong Guo. The Tibetan people is one of them. The word “Tibet” or “Tibetan” was also imposed  by the Europeans. But long before the Europeans (the English) landed on Tibet, Tibetans called themselves “ bod”.or “po” . This is the word still in use, referring to both as the place and the people.

3) So, your question, “When did Chinese first invade Tibet?” is an oxymoron.  The fallacy is comparable to a hypothetical question: “When did Native Americans invade Navajo or Apache tribal lands? “ In America, you have Navajo, Cherokee, Choctaw, Sioux, Chippewa, Apache, etc. In Zhong Guo, they have Han, h*i, Mian, Zang, Zhuang, .. … about 50 plus ethnicities in all living on the land called the Middle Kingdom.

4) So, just like the Navajo people, who is an ethnic Native American, the Tibetan people is an ethnic Chinese. What?  How could you say that Tibetan people is an ethnic Chinese, since their culture, clothing, food are so different ?  Be calm, my friend. There are at least a dozen of other ethnic Chinese minorities whose culture, language, clothing and ways of religious worshiping are as exotic as , if not more than,  that of Tibetans!

Then, what makes the Tibetan issue come to a head? A short answer is : the English and CIA’ s never-ending meddling. A long answer is: well, let’s do the long one:

5) As early as the seventh century, the ethnic Tibetan and ethnic Han Chinese established close ties through royal inter-marriages-------Han Emperor’s daughter married the head of Tibetan tribe. The alliances was cemented further into military and political bond by a mutual agreement or a bilateral practice: Han (or other ethnic Chinese, depending on which dynasty took control.) officials came to Tibetan tribal court to assist in administration and defense matters, whereas Tibetan court sent its officials to Han Chinese court. For a very long time, Central Chinese court subsidized the Tibetan court.

6) To be specific in one period: In the middle of the thirteenth century ( about 100 years after William the Conqueror invaded England), Tibet was formally incorporated into the Chinese territory of the Yuan Dynasty, Yuan Emperor Kublai entrusted to the Sakya Sect the power of administering the Tibet region, setting up the General Council (renamed Political Council in 1288) which was a central government organ exercising administrative power over the country's Buddhist affairs and the Tibetan affairs. The Yuan government instituted the system of imperial preceptor, conferred titles on political and religious leaders, delimited administrative divisions, appointed local officials, took census, collated and stipulated revenue and taxes, dividing the Tibet region into thirteen Wan Hu (ten thousand households). The heads of Wan Hu were conferred upon and appointed directly by the Yuan Court. There were three Chief Military Commands of the Pacification Commissioners' Offices which took charge of garrison troops and the administrative affairs of the various Wan Hu Offices in Tibet proper and other Tibetan areas. (The above was from historical records at the authoritative China’s websites)

7) This type of integrity has kept its steadfastness until the 19th century, when China’s Qing dynasty was vitally crippled by the opium trade imposed by the English. In 1888, The English invaded Bhutan and from there launched its first attack on Tibet. The  invasion met Tibetans fierce resistance. (see http://scholar.ilib.cn/A-xzdxxb200403002... ) In 1904 the English army, headed by Francis Younghusband, launched its second invasion on Tibet. “Younghusband slaughtered 1,300 Tibetans in Gyangzê. (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_You...  On the Chinese records, British had slaughtered 5000 plus Tibetans at the end of the invasion. The Anglo-Tibetan Treaty of 1904 was forced upon the Tibetans. It was at the time when the Tibetans’ usual protector ----China’s Emperor could not protect himself from the uprisings inside; neither could he keep at bay the European powers from outside. (Qing Dynasty ended in 1911.)

8) But In 1906 the English made the Anglo-Chinese Convention with Qing Emperor. It confirmed the Anglo-Tibetan Treaty of 1904, Britain agreed "not to annex Tibetan territory or to interfere in the administration of Tibet" while China engaged "not to permit any other foreign state to interfere with the territory or internal administration of Tibet". In the Anglo-Russian Convention of 1907, drafted by the British, Britain also recognized the "suzerainty of China over Thibet" and, in conformity with such admitted principle, engaged "not to enter into negotiations with Tibet except through the intermediary of the Chinese Government” (The above was from Wikipedia. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet#Sven_...

9) In 1914, China was in chaos. English seized chance to shovel “the Simla Convention“ down Tibetan and China’s throat. By this treaty the English would partition Tibet into two: Inner Tibet and Outer Tibet. But In the end, Tibetans by pressure signed the treaty, but China government refused to sign. Since then the World War I, the Invasion of China by Japan, World War II and China’s Civil War ensued. Tibet was in neglect.

10) In 1949, Peoples’ Republic of China was established. Mao Zedong declared that new China shall “abolish all unequal treaties forced upon the peoples of China by foreign powers” This certainly includes treaties coerced upon the ethnic Tibetans by the English.

11) In 1957, CIA was involved. It transported Dalai Lama’s followers to Saipan Island in the Pacific for five months training “in modern weapons and guerrilla tactics. They were also trained in espionage and codes, and in the operation of the hand-cranked radio transmitter/receiver.” "We only lived to kill Chinese," recalled one Tibetan veteran. "Our hopes were high." One of the trainees, Gyato Wangdu (who would later become the last commander of the Chushi Candrug), asked CIA operations officer Roger McCarthy for "a portable nuclear weapon of some kind...that the trainees might employ to destroy Chinese by the hundreds." The CIA declined, but McCarthy noted that Wangdu "did take to demolition training with renewed enthusiasm" and became quite taken with bazookas and mortars. (The above was from WAR at the TOP of the WORLD. By: Bageant, Joe, Military History, 08897328, Feb2004, Vol. 20, Issue 6)

12) In 1959, Tibetan armed insurgents accelerated their attacks on ethnic Han and Peoples Liberation Army. They were supplied with arms and ammunitions air dropped by CIA   Mao ordered more troops entering Tibet to quash. On or about March 10, 1959, Dalai Lama made the decision to flee. On March 17, he was smuggled out of Potala palace schemed by CIA, On March 30 he entered into India, starting his exile.

13) In 1972, Kissinger came to Beijing. China broke away from USSR and shifted to the US side. (China attended 1984 Olympics held in Los Angeles while the USSR was boycotting it.) It was then that under Nixon’s order, CIA stopped training Tibetans guerrilla on its Colorado military base. But UK did not stop supporting the exile Tibetans. In 1987, “Free Tibet” was founded in UK. Now it branched out all over the world, with 30 branches in UK alone. It was properly then that Dalai Lama made a decision, or under the guidance of MI 6, to go for secession without armed rebellions. Very likely, the end of military support might be interpreted by CIA, or as a joint decision with MI 6, as the start of political support. That requires an image platform for Dalai Lama to leapfrog.  

14) 1989 is the year that affords him one. Chinese student movements broke out in the Tiananmen Square. China political structure was shaken. The Tibetans in exiles seized this chance to instigate demonstrations inside Tibet. Had China government lost its control, Tibetan secession might have been done. Anyway, CIA and MI 6 secret campaign guaranteed him a Nobel Prize.  

15) In the years ensued, Dalai Lama was elevated to the peak of a praise mountain piled up by Hollywood celebrities. Nobody in the west gave a dame to the Tibetan woman neglected at the very bottom of Tibetan theocratic hierarchy. Invitations, speeches, the spotlight by western politicians are made to wash away peoples’ memory that Dalai Lama was once an armed rebellion schemer, the participant and responsible for mass killings in Tibet. No matter, as long as he can be used to embarrass China or stir up a riot against other ethnic Chinese, he serves the west well.

Answer 4

hey guys.im sorry but why u always say that " i have heard""I have read"...

Hav u actually seen it,i mean after identifying those people???

im chinese,when i watched the news on cnn,when they said that" u can contact us ,but plz dont put u in DANGER" ,it is so ridiculous,im sorry,but i hav to say.WTV and whats the point????????

From history we learned that tibet has been part of china since Han Dynasty, (u could argue ), and in tibet there were some heroes...

i mean if a part of ur country wanted to be independent (because of the ambition of dalai, what would u think ?

Answer 5

I'm with you. This riot is pre-meditated calculated to embarass China in view of the upcoming Olympics resulting in the deaths and destruction of property of the Han Chinese and the ethnic muslim h*i. I hope China will use all its power to squash the Tibetans who use violence to attract attention. Don't be fooled by the Dalai Lama - he is the one person who can orchestrate this riot otherwise the Tibetans will not upset law and order to achieve their agenda.

Background on China's Tibet:

No country publicly accepts Tibet as an independent state in spite of several instances of government officials appealing to their superiors to do so. Treaties signed by Britain and Russia in the early years of the twentieth century and others signed by Nepal and India in the 1950s, recognized Tibet's political subordination to China. The Americans presented their view on 15 May 1943:

“ For its part, the Government of the United States has borne in mind the fact that...the Chinese constitution lists Tibet among areas constituting the territory of the Republic of China. This Government has at no time raised a question regarding either of these claims. ”

No sovereign states, including India, have extended recognition to the Tibetan Government-in-exile. This lack of legal recognition of independence has forced even some strong supporters of the refugees to admit that:

“ ...even today international legal experts sympathetic to the Dalai Lama's cause find it difficult to argue that Tibet ever technically established its independence of the Chinese Empire, imperial, or republican.

Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations."

Answer 6

Judging from most of the comments here, it's a shame most people don't know anything about China and Tibet besides what they hear from Hollywood actors. The Tibetan theocracy in place before the communist invasion wasn't any better than the current government. The religious class ruled with absolute power and oppressed the average Tibetan just as much as the Chinese police do today, if not more.

Brief Summary:

Qing Dynasty invades Tibet in the 16th century, establishes the chain of Dalai Lama through election

1912, Chinese Revolution by the KMT (now Taiwan) - Tibet, Mongolia, and other regions declare independence

1949, KMT loses the Chinese civil war to the communists. The communists decide to take back territories lost in the early 20th century.

Armed Tibetan insurgency lasts decades, with thousands of Tibetan & Chinese soldiers and civilians dead. CIA backed armed uprising supported by the current Dalai Lama fails, and he flees to India in fear of assassination.

Good of Chinese rule for the Tibetan region

Free education, roads, electricity, welfare programs, etc

Bad of Chinese rule for the Tibetan region

Religious regulation, civil rights oppression, environmental degradation

Most Tibetans who actually live in Tibet want more religious freedom (ie non-regulation), not full independence.

Answer 7

What I've read is the opposite, dozens of Tibetans have been burnt to death and 100s have been killed, Tibetans, not Chinese.

Answer 8

Boycott 2008 Olympics

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gS2iuE-ot...

Answer 9

great

i see more feed the children commercials in my future

Answer 10

Dear All:



Since the News broke out on Tibet's unrest and riot, we need to go to the root of the problem to solve this unrest to PEACE for a United China.



This is my OPINION only:



To the central government leadership of People's Republic of China:



Please immediately issue an invitation to Dalai Lama for His Holiness to have a permanent seat and voice in the People's Congress at Tiananmen Square. Furthermore, offer the Holiness some kind of VICE position in the Communist party apparatus for Him to have some sort of VICE power to rule over the entire China, not just limit Him to the Tibet Autonomous Region.



If His Holiness, The Dalai Lama acccepts the offer and proposal, problem solved, everyone is happy including the foreigners who criticize China etc.. If He, the Holiness does not accepts, problem solved too as the WORLD can see and realize the problem is Him alone, not Beijing.



This is a simple solution from a simple minded Chinese like yours truly.

Best Regards,



Koo Yuen

1-866-400-4989

www.hongkong2dc.com

Answer 11

Are you stoned?  I sympathise with the Chinese in Tibet as much as I sympathise with the Yanks in Iraq!

Answer 12

I hate to see anyone hurt or killed.  And I guess the Chinese had to stop the portest.  HOWEVER, the Chinese invaded this country of Tibet  and killed 10's of thousands.

If Russia invaded the USA and Russian's set up shop...I and sure many Americans would feel justified in burning them out.

The Chinese need to get OUT of Tibet.  There is no reason for them to be there.  It is not important for the military, Tibet has no natural resources,  Tibet is no threat.  In the coming years we will see China try to take over all of Asia. Not now, but in 10-20 years.

Answer 13

Do you have a link to support your allegations?  If you do please don't make it one from the Chinese communist news.

Answer 14

I come from Shanghai China.

As far as I know, some innocent people was burned to death in the riot. Off course, the police should stop them!!! and punish the criminals.

Many people believe we invade the Tibet, however they dont know about the history at all.

Plz read the history about China and Tibet