To all Muslims :Do you believe people who abandoned Islam (deserters) should be killed ..as said in the sunna?

Question

an doesn't this contradict the idea of religious freedom that supposedly Islam adopts

before you say anything ..i'm muslim ..but their's alot of things in islam that i think need to be reformed ..things that's now obsolete ...things that i don't buy anymore ...

do you think Islam needs modernization an reformation to cope up with the time we live in ....what's your thoughts on this issue ..?

try to provide good argument instead of passionate talk ...

Answer 1

Hi,

I do not want to start a discussion on Religion because Politics and Religion.......I guess you know this saying.

Well, the punishment for Apostasy from Islam can not be changed. The punishment is regarding Sharia Law which is based on the Holy Quran (God's word). Therefore it can not be discussed, reformed, modernized, etc.

Try to see it like this: no matter where you live, if you commit a crime, you'll know the punishment in advance.

This got nothing to do with religious freedom. Why is it forbidden for Catholic women now to become a pope? Why can't Catholic priests, cardinals, popes have s*x? Why are Catholics not allowed to get married in church twice? Why does the Catholic church not believe in divorce? Does this religious rule not interfere with your "freedom".

You might like to read the link giving below if interested:

http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Artic...

I personally think that people should be aware of laws and regulations regarding the country and society they are living in but I admit that it is hard for Westerners to understand certain things.

Your mind is set up anyway. Why are you asking for changes etc? The Islamic law does not effect you.

Last not least: do you know the bible? Let me refresh your memory: If you worship the wrong God, God will get jealous and kill you. 6:15

Having said this, I wish you a nice weekend.

Answer 2

well *things you dont buy anymore* i suggest you go look into islam or simply leave it your not doing much good to it  rather damage

to be honest im not sure ur a muslim but i think people been trying to change islam for ages  and thats not gonna work  if *modernization* means we lete go of our religion then you can keep it  

Answer 3

good one! GOOD LUCK !!  i mean it :D

Answer 4

What do you expect? Read these answers. Feel the folly, the stupidity, the sophistry exposed. Of a particular breed of people known to be the ugliest and most fanatical in the world, Saudis are the worst. But rather than attack the policy, why don't we simply suggest it be reversely implemented in the west? That's fair, and enough for me.

Answer 5

Probability is there yo. Are you from Tyler Texas? I'm from Kilgore.

Answer 6

.....it's the law and it's strictly been implemented even if you think for yourself it's already wrong. You don't have a choice but to follow the religion you believe in, that is being religious to your faith....there are many conflicting ideas manifested in Sharia law but a good muslim would just say, it's the law, no one is above it. It's showing it's not perfect just like other religion because if it is perfect, no muslim would think the way that you think....we are here in this world temporarily, we may be from different cultures and religion but still it is our actions and faith that will be judged on the end, how did we use our time here in this world? did we waste it on nonsense things? etc etc

Answer 7

yes Islam needs modernization an reformation. you can change everything but don't change main thing of islam like prayer and fasting.

nobody can kill to quit islam. you have to search yourself that which religion is true. if your father is muslim and you muslim because your father is, then you are going h**l because that is your fathers religion

Answer 8

Islam is suitable for all times in history all eras, otherwise how do you explain that 10s of thousands of westerners convert to Islam every year in these last few years?

Many of them are highly intellectual people, highly educated people. Some of them converted while living in Saudi Arabia.

Wanna read more? Search for Gary Miller (Canadean Professor of Math converted while teaching in Saudi University)

Or search under "Itlaian Ambassador in Saudi Convert to Islam"

He converted to Islam while he was an Abassador, in Nov 2001, one of the most difficult times for Muslims in modern history. An Ambassdor of a country that is the center of Christianity, while he was at a country that is the center of Islam.

Answer 9

no answers ah? cos its a stupid question bro.

Answer 10

do i think ppl who leave islam should be killed ? YES ... why ? ... cuz as  u said its said in the sunna , and god ordered us to ...

do i think islam needs "MODERNIZATION" ?  h**l no .. ! why ? ... cuz i think that non of the islamic orders or rules dont mach with our time .

listen up dude .. the quraan is allahs book we r ordered 2 read it understand its words and apply it in real life ( as u already know of course ) .... and honestly i think if a person is able 2 understand and relizes the depth of the meanings and words in the quraan and sees the miracle in it he will understand that its perfect and flawless and suits every time ... and its enough that we r the only religon that r able 2 read allahs words that were revealed to this planet earth before thousends of years ... maybe u should ask whats the reason and the 7ikmah from some orders that allah put instead of thinking that it needs modernization and maybe u will change ur mind about certain stuff may allah guide you to the right path ... feel free 2 ask about stuff u dont know or arent sure off .. hope ive helped :) ..

O. sry i didnt awnser ur main Q. in detail .. i think the 7ikmah that every person that abbands islam should be killed , is that if he leaves islam he will not be saticfied and stop there he will most likely    try 2 talk other musims out of islam or he will harm muslims and islam , but if im not mistaken he does not get killed right away he is asked 2 come back 2 islam first ,,, then if he refuses he pays( jezyah) ,,, after that if he refuses he gets killed ...arent i right ? or is that in some certain condition im not sure .. pls anybody if im mistaken here correct me .. thx . and gd lck :)

Answer 11

Well, I'm a muslim, I don't think that the islam needs modification or anything, if u dont accept it, then convert and we'll see what's gonna be applied!

But yeah, i think that they mustnt kill ppl because of it, if Islam(like we all know it) supports the freedom of speech and religion, then i think we must respect their decision, and what did we lose?!

An Unfaithful heart, that's all that is to say about the matter!

I think that islam is what is shielding us and protecting us from time, if it werent then we'd be seeing alot of g*y ppl in the streets (I dont care about that, i'm not a racist or anything) the girls will get pregnant without getting married, it'll be a mess, like you know where!!

Btw, I'm not that religious but it's common sense dude!!

Answer 12

ReformED? by who? by men? Then it becomes man-made, and not from God. Truth is something and convenience ( or passion, since you mention passionate talk )  is something else. If you think a religion can be changed by man and accept the idea that its from God, you participate in deceiving people.

That said, it might be better if you learn more about Islam, and the ruling of apostasy. At the time, the state was 100% Islamic, and people's minds were occupied with religion ( not money ) . Leaving Islam meant joining Idol-worshippers. It is like treason today.

I do not claim this is the only explanation, I just wanted to mention it so that you can see how things can be viewed from different angles and that if you change things in religion because of your "passion" or convenience since you already believe in certain values, it means you are making your religion.. your beliefs.. and not making your beliefs, what your religion teaches.

Answer 13

well said hotblondebabegurl...way to go.

even after 1,400 years, im proud reading the same Quran version as the one read by Prophet Muhammad S.A.W. same contents, same verses, same meanings.

Answer 14

Sorry, Islam does not need modernization.

If so, then there would be several version of Quraan. Personally, I just want the one true version. The original Quraan version from God not any human edited version.

BTW killing  is the "maximum" sentence for deserters.

When you announce you are abandoning Islam you go through some sort of trial or sessions. (do not know the process or details).

I believe they have discussions on why you want to leave the religion? what makes you think the other religion is right for you? discussions on religion & faith, etc..

It is not absolute.

Lawyers can answer this since they know Islamic law better than I do.

and it's not like someone is tracking down who is a muslim and who is not and monitoring your prayers. They catch the guy if he did something that caught their attention and gave the government a reason to take him.

For example if you leave the religion and you are in a good mental health then start offending and assaulting Islam, fighting it and trying to make muslims leave Islam or threatening them in anyway . You are giving the government a reason to take you in.