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To everyone that answered the question: "Why is it when people on this site ask whether God exists?"?

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There are a lot of angery responses about how everyone thinks the asker was telling Atheists not to answer because he thinks they're wrong. If I understood him/her correctly, he/she wasn't saying that at all! It's like if someone were to post the question: "Do blue eggs exist?"

APPARENTLY they already think blue eggs don't exist because if they thought blue eggs DID exist they wouldn't be asking a question about it. He/she was simply saying that Atheists don't really have to argue they're point because the person obviously already doesn't believe in God.

And, yes, I'm an atheist.

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  1. There is too much Christian and atheist back and forth anyhow. I cant wait for the day when people reject both religion and science as the sole pillars of truth. Instead, they realize that science and spirituality must balance each other out or blend together like a song. Like science would be the words and spirituality would be the music. They are both ways of describing and understanding the experience, why does one have to be right and one be wrong?  By spirituality, I do not mean dogma or blind faith, but deep reflection inward into ones being in search of gaining awareness and personal revelation, be it thu meditation or other means like entheogens.

    I rejected organized religion since about the day I was born and was an atheist up until about 2 years ago at the age 19. My views on everything changed when I took what are often referred to as scared mushrooms. This may sound crazy to anyone who has not had an experience with them and who just forms opinions based on propaganda in the media. Anyway, I hiked up in the middle of a forest with 2 of my friends and took them. The events of the next four hours changed my ways of thinking forever. As I felt the self dissolve and melt together with everything around me, I came to the realization that infact everything was really one. The idea of everyone and everything  being separate is nothing more than an illusion created by your ego. Life is the same as water in a way, there are many 'seperate' drops, but in reality all they make up one and the same mass. Much of the world is blind to this fact, they see their personal birth as the beginning and their personal death as the end. Confronted with this concept of death, the ego tries to make up for it by gaining the most material objects as it can. If man does not wake up and change its ways then humanity will die out. We will keep tearing down forests for the illusion of materail gain, building more weapons and closing ourselves off from each other. I think this is what most religions are trying to say if you look past the dogma and just listen to the messages of Christ, Buddha, Ghandi, or whoever. They all basically had the same message in the end and that was love, forgiveness, and non-judgment. The choice between whether we create a heaven or h**l is in our hands. In my eyes there is nothing to fear, how can one have fear, when they have felt eternal love?

    After the experience, I still believed in all the scienctific theories like evolution and the big bang, I just saw them differently then b4. Infact, they made more sense to me after. God is singulaity, a cosmic unity, or a pure radiant energy which forms the basis for the entire physical universe. At the beginning when the big bang took place everything was one or in science terms there was singularity, from this oneness everything came to be. First came the expansion of light, then light condensed down into matter, and then into more complex matter. Life has worked in much of the same way, it began as simple and evolved and became more complex thru time.

    What is all the fight over, what diffence does it make if you believe in nature, god, or both? No one is totally right and no one is totally wrong. I dont think it is that black and white


  2. Causation. God provides the best explanation for the existence of the universe and all that's in it. (The alternative theory is that "nothing" exploded and resulted in everything that we see.)

    Order. God provides the best explanation for abstract notions such as numbers, mathematical formulae, chemical-based processes, and natural laws. (The alternative theory is that the chaotic first elements ordered themselves into complex information systems.)

    Design. God provides the best explanation for the absolute complexity inherent in cosmological, stellar, planetary, chemical and biological systems. (The alternative theory is that random chance engineered apparent design.)

    Encoded Instructions. God provides the best explanation for the digital DNA code contained in and controlling the functions of all life on earth. (The alternative theory is that complex code, such as binary code running computers, can pop into existence without any kind of programming, testing and debugging process.)

    Irreducible Complexity. God provides the best explanation for fully functioning biological organisms, systems, and subsystems that couldn’t come about through gradual evolutionary process without totally ceasing to exist at lower, evolutionary levels. (The alternative theory is that biological systems took huge, unseen leaps from simple to complex without any guided process or forward-looking instructions.)

    Duality. God provides the best explanation for the separate human functions of brain and conscience (matter and mind). (The alternative theory is monism -- only matter exists and the human brain only appears to have a separate subconscious ability.)

    Morality. God provides the best explanation for the existence of love, emotion, altruism, and inherent moral/ethical values throughout the world. (The alternative theory is that unguided materialistic processes evolve higher human consciousness.)  

  3. Aren't Emu's eggs blue...?

  4. Robins' eggs are blue.

  5. Good point.

    Although, you just lost yourself 5 points :(

    I can see those tears

    And, i realised that when i answered it, i just thought, ah well. This guy seems religious. Lets prove him wrong.

    :)

  6. Angry?  That's funny cause I didn't sense that all.  Remember, when dealing with the written word, the reader always sees whatever he wants to see and pours his own emotions into the writings

    IMHO

  7. I answered that question respectfully. I noticed that it was your fellow atheist who had a problem with it.

  8. Not that I need vindication, but I appreciate it.  It's glad to see that someone understands what I am saying.  I have nothing against atheists per se, it is just that too many atheists on this site are obscurants.  They do not care for the truth, and those were the ones who lashed out at me for my question.  I'm a truth seeker- that is what has led me to become a Christian- and I have much respect that you have given an honest response to my question.  Spoiler warning: You are going to get the Best Answer.

  9. I'm an Atheist, but I usually ignore idiotic responses from idiot religious folk.

    Like the old saying goes, religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.

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