Trixy , but common spot to be in , no limit holdem?

Question

You have JdJh. You raise to 7 on the CO. Button 3-bets to 20 and you call. You have been raising alot recently because the table is very tight. However, button who was originally pretty tight, has started 3-betting you liberally.

Flop comes out 678 two spades.

Pot is 43. Effective stacks are 190 on the flop. He bets 30. Your move?

Answer 1

raise

Answer 2

well if nothing else your question description is perfect, this is such a common situation in no-limit and yet the decision is so difficult

basically, this is one of those that comes down to your specific read of your opponent...if you can pick up something that indicates to you that you are up against an overpair here, you can get away from the hand and not be too upset about it, and likewise if you smell a bluff then you can come back over the top...based on the situation alone, since the button has been 3-betting us a lot lately this looks like a good spot to lay the hammer down with a raise, i would go ahead and actually just shove it in right here...the reason for such a big raise right now is because in order to make a pot-sized raise, we would have to make it approximately $100 more, and with effective stacks of $190 there is just no way that we can throw away an overpair for that price...the one thing we can't do is call here, that would put is in complete no-man's land on the turn, where there are almost no good cards for our hand aside from a jack

edit: first of all, i don't know if it's difference of math or what, but i get a different pot size here...$43 on the flop, +$30 bet= $73, so if we call the $30 first, then a pot-sized raise is an additional $103...anyway, since we have safely ruled out calling as an option, if we are going to make a pot-sized raise here then it's pointless to not push all-in...if we raise $100 more, then we leave our opponent with an extra $60 which we will be obligated to put in anyway if he plays because of the pot odds...so, if we are going to play and make a sizeable raise here, then we might as well maximize the pressure and just move it in

edit2: i think you know from my answers that i am a big proponent of making smallish raises, but with stacks this shallow i just don't think the time and place are right for a play like this...to raise an additional $40 here is like saying "please move in on me", it's just a weak play when effective stacks are shallow and therefore there isn't much money to be lost, you don't gain any reliable info because worse hands will shove on you here, like a flush draw, while by moving in you take away the semibluff option and force your opponent to call off his stack drawing...now if we raise to $70 with a lot of money behind both of us, then it makes more sense because he will be more reluctant to make a 3-bet semibluff or straight bluff knowing that it could potentially cost a lot of money, if we come back over the top with a 4-bet

edit3: while you are correct in saying that few worse hands will call a shove while all better hands call, remember also that you must protect your hand here...by raising to $70 only, as i said before, it's a free invitation to possibly get bluffed, not to mention on the off chance that he has a flush draw that we might give him a cheap draw here, if he chooses to possibly just call the small raise and leave himself some money...and again, with deeper stacks i wouldn't make such a big raise, but to make a sizeable raise would be pot-committing anyway, so i'd rather maximize the pressure here and just move in...you really would like not to get called when you raise here because then you would have to believe you are beat, but if you think you have the best hand you have to protect here against overcards and the possible flush draw, and also because a flat-call will only get you into more trouble...i think this is just one of those really tough situations where there isn't a good option, you just have to take the best of the potential evils

Answer 3

i would check raise at least 2x you realy want to push him of his hand..especially if he has been playing real tight

Answer 4

Since you were in the cut-off seat, you checked to the three bettor on the flop.  You did not check to fold your overpair.  If you wanted to try and get away from your hand you could have bet 20 and see what happens, possible being able to fold to a large raise.  

You should check raise the size of the pot.