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Was Jesus Christ the real messiah that prophets promised in the Hebrew Bible?

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or he was a false messiah and few people believed in him and these people spread his religion and make him as a god and they took some jewish ideas about God.. specially the hebrew bible? why didn't people of his time accept jesus as the messiah? only after his death he was the messiah or christ.. and he was considered God in a human body why?

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  1. He was a false messiah, one of many in his time.

    Remember that he failed to fulfill the following messianic prophecies:

        * The Sanhedrin will be re-established (Isaiah 1:26)

        * Once he is King, leaders of other nations will look to him for guidance. (Isaiah 2:4)

        * The whole world will worship the One God of Israel (Isaiah 2:17)

        * He will be descended from King David (Isaiah 11:1) via Solomon (1 Chronicles 22:8-10, 2 Chronicles 7:18)

        * The Moshiach will be a man of this world, an observant Jew with "fear of God" (Isaiah 11:2)

        * Evil and tyranny will not be able to stand before his leadership (Isaiah 11:4)

        * Knowledge of God will fill the world (Isaiah 11:9)

        * He will include and attract people from all cultures and nations (Isaiah 11:10)

        * All Israelites will be returned to their homeland (Isaiah 11:12)

        * Death will be swallowed up forever (Isaiah 25:8)

        * There will be no more hunger or illness, and death will cease (Isaiah 25:8)

        * All of the dead will rise again (Isaiah 26:19)

        * The Jewish people will experience eternal joy and gladness (Isaiah 51:11)

        * He will be a messenger of peace (Isaiah 52:7)

        * Nations will end up recognizing the wrongs they did to Israel (Isaiah 52:13-53:5)

        * The peoples of the world will turn to the Jews for spiritual guidance (Zechariah 8:23)

        * The ruined cities of Israel will be restored (Ezekiel 16:55)

        * Weapons of war will be destroyed (Ezekiel 39:9)

        * The Temple will be rebuilt resuming many of the suspended mitzvot (Ezekiel 40)

        * He will then perfect the entire world to serve God together (Zephaniah 3:9)

        * Jews will know the Torah without study (Jeremiah 31:33)[3]

        * He will give you all the worthy desires of your heart (Psalms 37:4)

        * He will take the barren land and make it abundant and fruitful (Isaiah 51:3, Amos 9:13-15, Ezekiel 36:29-30, Isaiah 11:6-9)


  2. No, if he was we would have recognized him, don't forget we were truly in need for the Messiah, there was no reason not to except him except for the fact the it wasn't him.

    The Jewish Messiah will be a physical descendant of King David, he will be a military leader in Israel, he will win wars for us, he will bring to the creation of the 3rd temple and he will bring world peace.

    There is no way of knowing who the Messiah will be because in every generation there is a potential Messiah.

    When the time is right, when we deserve it the most or when we need it the most he will rise in his generation and live up to his full potential, then everyone will know who he is.

    The Torah states the names of all the Jewish prophets, if Jesus was what Christians claim he was then his name should appear there at least as many times as Moses does, it does not appear even once.

    Please leave the interpretation of the Torah to the Jews and the Bible to the Christians, when the Messiah comes we will ask him if he's been here before.

  3. He may have been the real Messiah, but I don't know that he was the one prophesied. I often wonder why the Messiah was prophesied as being named Immanuel.... and then wasn't?

    "Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel."

  4. Let's compare notes, come Judgment Day.

    http://douglawrence.wordpress.com/

  5. Hbr 1:1   Long ago God spoke many times and in many ways to our ancestors through the prophets.  

    Hbr 1:2   But now in these final days, he has spoken to us through his Son. God promised everything to the Son as an inheritance, and through the Son he made the universe and everything in it.  

    Hbr 1:3   The Son reflects God's own glory, and everything about him represents God exactly. He sustains the universe by the mighty power of his command. After he died to cleanse us from the stain of sin, he sat down in the place of honor at the right hand of the majestic God of heaven.  

    Hbr 1:4   This shows that God's Son is far greater than the angels, just as the name God gave him is far greater than their names.  

    Hbr 1:5   For God never said to any angel what he said to Jesus: "You are my Son. Today I have become your Father.[fn1]" And again God said, "I will be his Father, and he will be my Son."[fn2]  

    Hbr 1:6   And then, when he presented his honored[fn3] Son to the world, God said, "Let all the angels of God worship him."[fn4]  

    Hbr 1:7   God calls his angels "messengers swift as the wind, and servants made of flaming fire."[fn5]  

    Hbr 1:8   But to his Son he says, "Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever. Your royal power is expressed in righteousness.  

    Hbr 1:9   You love what is right and hate what is wrong. Therefore God, your God, has anointed you, pouring out the oil of joy on you more than on anyone else."[fn6]  

    Hbr 1:10   And, "Lord, in the beginning you laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands.  

    Hbr 1:11   Even they will perish, but you remain forever. They will wear out like old clothing.  

    Hbr 1:12   You will roll them up like an old coat. They will fade away like old clothing. But you are always the same; you will never grow old."[fn7]  

    Hbr 1:13   And God never said to an angel, as he did to his Son, "Sit in honor at my right hand until I humble your enemies, making them a footstool under your feet."[fn8]  

    Hbr 1:14   But angels are only servants. They are spirits sent from God to care for those who will receive salvation.


  6. Look, the whole Jesus story is simply a myth. Jesus never lived. Sorry to pop your bubble.

  7. Nope, he was not.  He was not a false messiah either.  He was a man who tried to tell people that it was okay to talk to God and have a relationship with him without having to go through the priest.

  8. mohammed was real messiah. jesus was just a teacher.

  9. John the Baptist asked that very same Question of Jesus..John wanted

    to hear directly from Jesus regarding the significance of this, so he sends two of his disciples to inquire: “Are you the Coming One or are we to expect a different one?” Luke 7: 19.

    That may seem a strange question, especially since John saw God’s spirit descend upon Jesus and heard God’s voice of approval when baptizing him nearly two years before. John may simply want a verification from Jesus that He is the Messiah. This would be very strengthening to John as he languishes in prison. But apparently there

    was more to John’s question than that. He evidently wanted to know if there was to be another one coming, a successor, as it were, who will complete the fulfillment of all the things that were foretold to be accomplished by the Messiah.

    Instead of telling John’s disciples, ‘Of course I am the one who was to come!’ Jesus in that very hour puts on a remarkable display by healing many people of all kinds of diseases and ailments. Then he tells the disciples: “Go your way, report to John what you saw and heard: the blind are receiving sight, the lame are walking, the lepers are being cleansed and the deaf are hearing, the dead are being raised up, the poor are being told the good news. And happy is he who has not stumbled over me.”

  10. Not many Jews converted over to Christianity (or what would eventually be called Christianity)...a lot that followed Jesus even abandoned Him later...St Paul did most of the real converting over in the Gentile world..

    You might ask a question like "what did the Jews expect the Messiah to be?"....might get you the answers you're looking for...

  11. yes he was




  12. Now, you KNOW a prophet is never welcome in his own country.

    I mean, don't you even pay attention????

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  13. Some believed he was a messiah, others did not believe.

    It seems to me that a true messiah would leave no doubt.  

  14. He must have been the messiah we're still talking about Him 2000 years later . I'd say He made an impact!!

  15. Jesus was, is, and will always be the real Messiah.

    Lots of people of His time accepted Him as Messiah, that is why the Pharisees and Sadducees hated Him.  He was revealing they're short comings as religious leaders of God's people.

    The death and resurrection of Jesus was not what made Him Messiah.  It was the fulfillment of the prophecies.

    Jesus was not God in human form.  He is the Son of God (a part of God) come down from heaven to live as man to be the Savior of man.

  16. Two big problems.

    No where in Jewish scripture does it say that the Messiah is going to do part of the job and then come back OVER TWO THOUSAND years and still counting, to finish the job.

    And, number two, whether he was God in the flesh, whether he was God at all, whether he was the same substance as the father and the holy spirit, or somehow of lesser substance, all these points were decided by MEN at the council of Nicea in 325 CE.  Even if they were men somehow inspired by God, they were men, and I, 1700 years later, cannot trust that they religion they codified wasn't tampered with by mortals.  There were equally Godly men, like Bishop Arius, who were arguing that Christ was not the same substance as the father (and that, incidentally, would be slightly more in line with Jewish Scripture, but still off the mark).  Yet the Council decided that Christ, Father, and Holy Ghost were one being with three aspects.

    For centuries afterward, in the city of Constantinople, people argued and actually killed one another over whether the trinity was three beings who shared one substance or one being who showed three aspects.  If either were true, would a Good God have allowed continual bloodshed without stepping in to provide a clue one way or the other?

    Three hundred years ago, an artist of genius (and man probably clinically insane) wrote some amazing poetry.  His name was William Blake.  If you read his poetry (and unconventioinal as he is, he was nonetheless a devout Christian), you get the feeling that he felt the battle of Armagheddon was waged inside each of our own souls.  And when Good in our souls wins over evil, that is the second coming of Christ.  It is a personal, not a worldly event.

    Whether or not Christ was a messiah two thousand years ago is irrelevant.  If he was, and if he was supposed to found an earthly kingdom of peace, he failed.  If he was a different kind of messiah, and founded a heavenly kingdom somewhere, we'll know when we get there, but if that's so, he wasn't the messiah of the Jewish Scriptures.  Ultimately, I think it's irrelevant.  The story of sacrifice, rebirth, redemtion is a very potent story and one that has been with humans almost since before we could really speak to one another.  

    I'm not one of those who says Christ's story borrowed from Osiris, or Mithras, or Ahura Mazda, or another of another thousand tales.  I'm only saying that the archetype of the story is crucial to humanity, has been with us since the beginning and is more important as a SYMBOLIC story than any particular events the story may have grown up around.

    Myth has wider shoulders than facts, because it carries a greater burden of truth.

  17. I am a Christian, however I do understand why you would have doubts. As there have been, are and will be so many false prophets.  Personally, I believe you show wisdom, by researching and questioning such an important issue.

    If you do believe in the God of the hebrew bible, then I can only recommend that you ask him personally what the truth is.  If you are seeking the truth, then only he can reveal it to you, so that you are convinced in your heart one way or the other.

    If you are interested, below is a link, which is shows the many prophecies from the Old Testament, including, who the Messiah will be, what he will be like and the purpose of his life, where he will be born, who will betray him and deny him, how he will die and that he will be resurrected.  I hope it is helpful, if you do take a look.

    http://www.jewishvoice.org/site/PageServ...

    If you would consider reading the New Testament (particularly the four Gospels). It does fully explain the questions that you raise.  Again, I genuinely believe that if you are really seeking to understand, then only God can reveal the truth to you.

    Edit: I know that I always offend, anger and irritate people from the Jewish faith when I put the link in.  I do not enjoy offending anyone intentionally. So I can only say sorry in advance.  I do in fact completely respect your faith and beliefs.

    Edit 2:  Natalie, (above me): Some of the prophecies you listed are now coming into fruition.  For example many Jewish people are now returning to their homeland from across the world (more than at any other time throughout history).  I agree many of the prophecies you have listed are still to be fulfilled.  They are not in contradiction to Christian teaching in any way.   We know that many things have to happen first, exactly as the Lord has predicted (some of those things will be extremely difficult), to fulfil ALL of God's prophecy, before Jesus returns again.

    http://www.aboutbibleprophecy.com/e34.ht...

    http://www.konig.org/page5.htm

  18. Believed after his death because he ressurected on the 3rd day.

    And it's prophecied the jews would reject their messiah.  They interpreted prophecy of the messiah, and had expectations based on their interpretations.  When Jesus violated what they imagined the messiah was supposed to be, they rejected him.

    Jesus fits, he just violated the Jews expectations which was based on their interpretations of prophecy.

  19. Jesus clearly does NOT match the Jewish definition of Messiah.

    http://whatjewsbelieve.org

    http://www.convert.org/differ.htm

    http://www.jewfaq.org/moshiach.htm

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