Was there intelligence in evolution??

Question

If it takes intelligence to make an arrowhead, why doesn’t it take vastly more intelligence to create a human? Do you really believe that hydrogen will turn into people if you wait long enough?

Answer 1

The complexity of an object has nothing to do with whether it required an intelligence to create it.

A snowflake is a far more complex object than an arrowhead.   That doesn't mean that it requires intelligence to create snowflakes.

Answer 2

Obviously not. If mankind is the pinnacle of evolution, intelligence was obviously not required.

Answer 3

No, the process is blind and utterly stupid.

<<Do you really believe that hydrogen will turn into people if you wait long enough?>>

Do you really believe you've ever heard anybody say any such thing?  If not, then why make the statement up?  That doesn't appear all that honest; inventing a conclusion and trying to put it into the mouths of other people.

Answer 4

It takes a lot more than hydrogen to make people.  But intelligence is not needed.

Educate yourself and the creationist agenda will be clear as the non-sense it is.

Answer 5

The central tennent of complexity theory is the emergence of novel behavior from a complex system.  This becomes the the basis for the third law of informational emergence in nonlinear dynamic systems that proves irrevocably that information (i.e. "intelligence) in an open entropic system increases in centralized complex manifolds.  Notice the importance of an open system: it requires input from an outside source, such as the sun, so that although the entropy of the subsystem is decreasing (information or "intelligence" is increasing), the entropy and of the closed supersystem is increasing according to the second law of thermodynamics.  

So yes, it is not only possible for a bunch of hydrogen atoms to become humans, it is mathematically inevitable.  The only system that seems to defy the net increase of information is trolling creationists who seem to exhibit a net decrease in intelligence over time.

Answer 6

If you start with an entire UNIVERSE worth of hydrogen, and you wait 13+ BILLION years, then yes I do think some of it will end up turning into living beings.

Self-assembling molecules have been observed in clouds of cosmic dust. Earth's oceans were full of organic compounds, and churned by sunlight, tides, volcanoes & lightning for 2-4 billion years.

Human beings are negligible in size compared to planets, and planets are even tinier compared to the universe. Entire human lifetimes are less than eyeblinks compared to the time scales that nature uses to create life from scratch.

Answer 7

Did you choose Hydrogen because of water makes up 70 some odd percent of the human body?

Do you realize water is not considered "human"

Water is water.

If you would spend a moment on the ground and not floating in the clouds you would know that Carbon is the basic building block of life.

Answer 8

This is just another form of the incredulity argument - that life is so amazing that someone or something had to make it.

The flaw, is that the "something" is, by definition, pretty amazing (or intelligent, or any other god-like attribute).  So, if an amazing arrowhead creator requires a more amazing god to create it, then the god must require a supergod...the supergod an uber god...the uber god a massive god...etc.

This is an infinite loop - an absurdity that, logically, must be invalid.

So, intelligence CAN arise from non-intellegence.  It's the only conclusion that can be proven.

Answer 9

Interesting question. It actually leads to a more poingnant subject of chaos theory. But first, a footnote:

Science, and scientific theory, was never supposed t obe a replacement for religion. Science is supposed to be based on something in the universe observing and making theories about its surroundings from the inside out, from the closest working its way back to the furthest.

Religion is the inverse of this. Starting from the furthest possible point then working its theories and postulations about intelligent design based ont the unobservable, the miraculous, or even the obsurred.

Unfortunately, the two are getting blurred. At one time theory was understood as theory, and was promptly replaced when a better working theory came along. Theory is supposed to be used to explain the unknown, based not on faith, but on FACTS about what IS known and observable  in the universe.

Evolution is still a theory. We have yet to see an instance where a lizard gives birth to a bird, or a dog gives birth to a cat. We have evidence of evolutionary changes, breeds of dogs creating subclasses and specialized adaptations, but no drastic changes of of one species becoming another. We just have working hypothesis of special adaptation that has the benefit of observation, and science is mans attempt to explain his universe around himself.

Is there Chaotic Order? Yes. Is there Orderly Chaos? Yes. it is all a matter of perspective. Those of you that inhabit the universe are influenced by the universe. The only true answer can be observed by steeping outside the laws and limitations of this universe and seeing what develops.

Answer 10

First of all, it's "is there," not "was there."  Evolution is an ongoing process and utterly inevitable.

Great intelligence would be necessary to create a human being if it were done in the same length of time it takes to make an arrowhead, but that isn't how it works.  Basic organisms developed over millions of years, and simple animals developed from them over millions of years.  More complex animals developed over millions of years from simpler animals, and human beings developed over millions of years from complex animals.

So hydrogen did not turn into people by itself; that is a silly oversimplification.  Hydrogen and other elements formed into more complex substances over... You guessed it!  ...millions of years.  And in a complex chemical environment.  So evolution runs in a complex environment, involving huge numbers of wrong turns and false starts, and huge numbers of interactions of every imaginible type.

Sweet dreams.

Answer 11

When does it say that hydrogen turned into humans? Evolution does not explain the origin of all existence, but explains how members of a population of a species can have a genetic mutation. This mutation (such as a group of primates walking on two legs) can be passed on if those with the mutation reproduce. If none survive to reproduce, then the mutation is discarded. Sure you can say that an intelligent being started evolution and you could be right, but there is no way, with our current technology, that we can prove that statement to be either right or wrong.

Answer 12

ok the first part of the question i get. and my answer is yes. for a while at least. kind of topped off a while back, wouldn't you say? second part of the question has me drawing a blank. sorry. so there ya go, lack of intel.