Water fuel, Browns gas, HHO kits are a ripoff, right?

Question

They claim to get more power out, than they use, so, of course it's a scam - or a succsesful perpetual motion machine. They can't be electrolising the water, with such a small amount of electricity. I think what is happening is this : the water is evaporating because it's connected to intake manifold vacuum, which reduces the boiling point - water will evaporate rapidly under a vacuum.

It's like being at a very high altitude. The electricity used just heats the water slightly. Any observed increase in mileage is surely caused by the driver doing his best to improve mileage - so he drives with a very light foot, which can have a big effect.

Answer 1

Mine works great.

People miss that is works based on hydrogen burning at a much higher sonic flash point than other fuels. This means that it burns faster and more complete thus it allows you to then burn the gas (petrol) that mixes with the hydrogen much more thoroughly. (Very important).

A car only uses about 40% (or less in some cases) of the gas you put in your car. That means you have 60% of the unburnt gas you can potentially utilize. Hydrogen combustion goes just that and is the point that is missed by the so call "experts".As you need less gas to then run your car.

You need to override the computer to keep the gas/air mix leaner as you won't need have a rich 14 to 1 mix.

This is where your savings is.

Do you know why you need a catalytic converter? Right to neutralize that 60% of unburnt toxic gas. Well, why not make good use of it and burn it, not waste it. This is what hydrogen will do. It's odd that people miss that hydrogen is such a better fuel. That's why we use it to send rockets into space. Other advantage is your emissions are greatly reduced - of course.

My view is anyone who says this is a scam is enjoying a love affair with Arab Oil, or at least uneducated. There are unfortunately websites that do sell a shoddy substitute and are questionable. So go for a reliable one that has done it's work and includes an overriding computer sensor. Hope that helps clarify some of the confusion that's spread around.

Answer 2

Yeah it's a total scam.

Answer 3

No rip off here.  Honestly, YES it does work. I have done this to my 96 Saturn and currently get about 50 miles per gallon.

I wrote a blog review about it here:

http://www.freewebs.com/isitworthmytime/...

It's very simple. You don't change your engine or computer. A quart-size (95O cc) container is placed somewhere under the hood. You fill it with DISTILLED WATER and a little bit of BAKING SODA. The device gets vacuum and electricity (12 Volts) from the engine, and produces HHO gas (Hydrogen+Oxygen). The HHO gas is supplied to the engine's intake manifold or carburetor as shown below.

Hope this helps.

King

Answer 4

No, Maybe not.

I did quite a bit of research on this and there some credible objective studies that seem to indicate that it actually does work.

I was skeptical at first until I found some articles in wikipedia and some University studies that explained the phenomena.

It is not a substitute for fuel, however it does appear to be a combustion enhancer that increases the efficiency of the engine as well as reduces polluting gasses.

I think more research needs to be done. There are many claims that are exaggerated and poorly engineered kits being sold. So far I think the Water-4-fuel may be the best for the money.

As for my views, I think the jury is still out on this.

Answer 5

I agree, 100%.  If the technology really existed, it would no doubt make HUGE headlines....not to mention millions (billions?) of dollars to the inventor(s).

Answer 6

Look at the car's exhaust . It has CO2 ,NO2,and CO.. It there is no oxygen there why squirt more fuel in.. There is no oxygen to burn it...

Answer 7

It’s a con and I have a long post to show you why it can’t work, post and edit and I’ll repost it. The long and short is that you only get back about 20% of the energy you put into it back. To increase fuel mileage they lean the engine out, that increases the cylinder temperature, now if you’re very careful and very lucky nothing will happen for 10,000 miles or so, but a little carbon or a nick in a piston can cause a hot spot which can destroy your engine, your oil life will be shorten. When you look at people who really worry about engines, people who fly airplane they worry about oil temperature, cylinder temperatures, leaning out the engine will save fuel, but it may cost you an engine.

You got the last part right, it's the driver not the device, there was a study in the late 70's early 80's that showed just that, they show drivers a device under the hood of their car and they told them it would save them gas, and it did in a lot of cases, problem was it wasn't hooked up to anything, it was just a box with wires and hoses coming out of it.

ralph.worthington is wrong, sorry Ralph but the study you cited used much more hydrogen then the HHO generator could ever generate. In fact if you used pure hydrogen and no gasoline at all your efficiency can go way up.

KenDodd is also wrong 14 to 1 is the ideal mix to completely burn gasoline, when you lean out an engine you shortens its life, see above. The numbers you use are just wrong. Of the fuel burnt in an engine less than 40% (21 to 37%) of the energy is used to move the car, the rest is heat lost to the cooling system and exhaust and friction.  In a modern car you only have about 50 PPM (parts per million) of un-burnt hydrocarbons in the exhaust, not the 60% you claim.

“My view is anyone who says this is a scam is enjoying a love affair with Arab Oil, or at least uneducated.”

Then tell my why when this device is independently tested it fails and fails badly? It’s because it don’t work.  Sorry there is no free lunch.