Water fuel conversion guides, do they really work.?

Question

I have heard of water fuel convertion guides that are supposed to convert water to brown gas (HHO) to supplyment fuel in a car and promote beter combustion, but has anyone out there actually fitted one and do they really work?.

I am technically trained and I find the whole idea skepticle, I have calculated that using conventional electrolysis it would require some 1500 amps of current through a single conventional water splitter to produce enough brown gas to drive a small car and that it would take some 600Kwats of electric power to do this when you consider the voltage that would require and current squared * resister loses, bearing in mind it takes 4 litres of hydrogen compressed to 600 P.S.I to produce the same energy in an engine as 1 liter of gas, anyone any thoughts please?, to me the sums do not add up.

Answer 1

HHO, H2O, or HOH .... it's all the same stuff. Water!

every system like this i have seen is a con-man's job.

worse yet they don't keep notes or they fudge the notes or run complex calculations (offten with error in the math or the data they use) so they can convince the masses of their saving device.

Proof hard core emperical proof with peer review...I'll look at this after the Facts are on the table.

Answer 2

HHO is a scam. It's that simple.

The only one that MIGHT work is called a 'Joe Cell', and it's public domain. But it works on 'orgone' energy, so you can forget about it if you are a mainstream engineer.

Voodoo Engineering! LOL...

Answer 3

Don't know anything about brown gas, sounds a bit hocuss pocuss to me. But you are right the idea of electroysis to convert water to hydrogen and oxygen to then burn in an internal combustion engine is madness. Energy in, electricity say 100 units, energy out as useful mechanical energy 20 units or less.

But there is a method whereby adding water to fuel can increase fuel efficiency and increase engine life and reduce pollution. In a diesel engine adding a small amount of water into the fuel results in a cleaner burn, less NOx production and slightly higher pressures. All this in turn improves mileage and reduces pollution.

Down side is that you have to mix the water and fuel evenly at the micro level (ultra sonic devices can do this) and water left in the fuel tank will cause corrosion and possible fuel blockages. So idealy the mixing needs to happen just as you inject the fuel. Possible, but tricky and expensive. Lab results show up to 15% improvements in several parameters. This is not magic but based on combustion chemistry. I do not know of any commercial devices based on this principal. But given the effectiveness, I suspect some will be on the market if oil prices continue to rise.

Applying this technology would not be simple and it would not be cheap. But if mass produced it could cut pollution levels and result in savings as well. (this research was being carried out in the 70s, and when oil prices fell again it was abandoned.) The trick was to introduce just the right amount of water, too much and it lowered efficiency, too little and it had no effect. From memory it was between 2 and 4% water. I had nothing to do with this research, just read some of the papers.

Answer 4

I am working on a HHO system for my truck at this time.

See the links below for the website and the forum.

My 2 cents.