What's more impressive a pitcher with 18 wins in a pitcher-friendly park and on a first place team or?

Question

a pitcher with 15 wins on a last place team in the second best hitter's park? Your thoughts, hmmm?

Answer 1

15 wins in a hitters park. Go Reds

Answer 2

definitely the latter my friend... first of all the pitcher on the losing team has to perform better in the first place because their team can't back them up with too much support and secondly they have to pitch better because it is a hitting friendly park, they have to make sure they keep the ball down so the hitters can't tee off on them.... and ya wins are a little bit of an overrated stat, you should check out things more like WHIP, ERA opponent average, opponent OBP and the like

Answer 3

15 wins  

Answer 4

Who cares if the park is pitcher or hitter friendly.  Pitchers from both teams have to pitch there, right?  So if Cook only wins 15 games that means that the guy on the other team probably outpitched him, in the hitters parks.

If you're getting the decision it means that you are pitching deep into games.  

So 18 wins would always be more impressive than 15 wins, no matter what kind of park it is.

Answer 5

Wins aren't the greatest stat.  I'd rather make the call off of the rest of their numbers.

Edit: And if this is a Brandon Webb question, I'd point out that the Diamondbacks play in a park that is not pitcher-friendly.  According to ESPN's park factor this season, it's actually #1 in the league this season.  If you look at his numbers, Webb's numbers are actually better on the road than he is at home.

Answer 6

I have a weird feeling that you might just be talking about Brandon Webb and Aaron Cook.

Answer 7

Pitcher with 15 on a last place team in a hitter's park.  If your on a bad team, that usually either means your team has terrible hitting or terrible pitching which includes the bullpen.  You don't have to be great to get 18 wins on a good team, and the pitcher friendly park definitely helps.