What's wrong with seeking justice?

Question

(In response to another Q)

I try NEVER to quote another poster, but I'd like to get some feedback.

Someone said-

"My exposure to feminism is limited but, the overwhelming theme of GWS is that men are the enemy, the oppressor and deserve to be punished.

It reminds me a bit of the slavery or native American issues where I'm somehow responsible for something my ancestors did hundreds of years ago."

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Last year I met a man who said something similar. I told him he was only accountable for his own actions. He should not feel guilt or shame for the "group" he represented.

Guilt is like a wall. It does nothing to build constructive relationships. It can tear them down though, esp when it's defensive or retaliatory.

Is this what stops you from offering sympathy when some of us talk about violence against women? Yesterday I asked a question about this and I got a lot of defensive or retaliatory comments.

What's the problem with women seeking justice from violence?

Answer 1

Well , that was me you are quoting dear, I have never committed any violence against women , so what justice do you seek for me ?

I've never owned slaves or taken any land from Native Americans either.

Answer 2

Nothing... I've never seen a guy have a problem with women seeking justice from violence... but you keep asking questions fighting hard against men seeking justice from violence. Why is equality for men a problem?

Men and women shouldn't be putting their hands on each other, except in love.... wouldn't you agree? Is equality that bad(equality, not supremacy for women disguised as equality)?

Answer 3

You have the right theme of America.

The blacks hate the whites, so reverse the perceived hatred.

Feminists have or do (whichever you prefer) hate men so reverse the perceived hatred of the past.

Maybe on day there will be an opportunity for someone to say, hey it has changed and im all for it.

Answer 4

LOL! I personally am against violence happening to anyone, but its a bit rich when feminists totally ignore or laugh at the problems that men face as a result of feminism (e.g. violence against men by women) and then insist on respect for women's issues.

Get real. We all deserve respect and women's issues are not more important than men's.

Edit

Anti-male laws are being promoted by feminists all over the world e.g.

Mexico: http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnou...

India: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/wo...

The US http://men.typepad.com/mens_hour/2005/07...

UK  - "Persistent verbal abuse e.g. constant unreasonable criticism".

- "Excessive contact e.g. numerous telephone calls to check

someone’s whereabouts” (http://www.cps.gov.uk/publications/docs/...

p.34).

And the feminist movement is very proud of this

http://www.unifem.org/gender_issues/viol...

But the truth is that the rate of domestic violence against men and women is equal http://www.law.fsu.edu/journals/lawrevie...

Answer 5

Problem is..

Feminists way of seeking "justice" is to create more injustice for men.

Answer 6

The problem is that they're terrified that they're excluded from that justice, but that's not true.  Early feminism fought long and hard to shed light on domestic violence amd eradicate the idea that it was normal and everybody did it.  It took years to get the idea across to police departments that hitting a wife or girlfriend was assault and wasn't socially acceptable.  Back then, we had no idea that some women hit first.

Feminism established the public mindset that violence against your partner should not be tolerated.  I was there; I watched it happen.  The rules DO apply equally to men, but they'd rather insist that we take responsibility for them.  If Fathers Matter, as promoted by the conservative religious right, then why can't they take on violence against men as a plank in their platform?  

Feminism succeeded because it was a grassroots campaign; individual women said "this is important to me" and worked to achieve their goals.  Men should be able to do the same and campaign that men are as much victims of domestic abuse as women.

But it's easier to whine about evil feminists.

Answer 7

In civilized societies, justice is distributed evenly and fairly.

No one should get more, or less, consideration.

That would be entitlement.

Answer 8

There is nothing wrong with seeking justice ...it's seeking revenge on a larger group of innocent parties that I find distasteful.

Answer 9

nothing. id rather stand shoulder to shoulder with you on these issues but you seem to believe that my gender is somehow responsible for all dv its akin to me blaming all women because female abusers sometimes  turn their sons into serial killers/rapists.

Answer 10

No real problem at all.  I just don't like the fact that sometimes women like push, slap, and pinch their man until they get punched in the face while saying, "Why don't you hit me you female dog?", then when those particular females get hit and they bounce on their nasty butts, they are ready to call the police who, chivalrously, saves the day by arresting the man while letting the woman grin in glee at home.  That's my only problem and I can happily say that it is going away slowly..but it is going away.