What Happened to the Hydrogen engine?

Question

Not so many years ago, someone invented a Hydrogen engine that ran on h2o (water)...I heard it was sold along with its patent to a big oil company that have just sat on the new engine....Why!!! when we are looking for alternative methods of environmental friendly ways of getting from A to B has this been alloweed to happen????

Answer 1

That is a conspiracy theory that is wrong. There is no hydrogen engine that actually works in a way that would save fuel. Hydrogen as a fuel is indeed very environmentally friendly, it only adds water when it is used.

However, to make the hydrogen pollutes just as much as a normal engine. So you are only moving the pollution from one place to another.

Answer 2

There's a lot of conspiracy around this subject. To understand I find it useful to visualize what money and power does to people. They can't see past that and will to anything to do to protect because they can. There's also a lot of theories on how these people want to control the world.

Anyways it's just weird that the fields of technology such as computers, telecom, biology have seen great developments over the years but not in the energy industry. But yet energy is a great way of monopolizing power.

Answer 3

These engines do exist but every time someone who can promote them is taken seriously they mysteriously disappear /  or get poisoned /shot ??.

Do your research and all the info is there ...i have created several h20 powered engines (I'm no scientist) and all are very efficient running of a 12volt battery and alternator

Answer 4

Oil companies pay off anyone with a new invention to keep it under wraps and keep themselves making billions in profits.

Answer 5

It sucked. Furthermore, water cannot move to a lower energy state, but you can take water, put in 4 units of electricity, wait overnight, and with a well-tuned million-dollar fuel cell, you can get out 1 unit of electricity. Definitely the American way thar....

Answer 6

I believe that they have a hydrogen engine sorted, the HUGE issue now is how to store the hydrogen as fuel.

Whoever can figure out how to safely store hydrogen for public use, then it would be a HUGE achievement.

Answer 7

The "water engine" you are talking about was a hoax.  There are Hydrogen fuel cell driven vehicles on the market.  The Envy motorbike is one example.  But you have to put energy in to convert water to a "burnable form" such as H2.  Water doesn't burn, period!

Answer 8

It takes more energy to separate H and O from water than you get back by burning the H.  The story is one of the "Great Conspiracy Myths".  Do the research and you will find that engines do not "run" on water.

Steam engines use water as a working fluid, but they "run" on conventional heat producing fuels.  Steam engines are cleaner and more efficient than internal combustion engines.

Have the Big Oil companies bought and suppressed some inventions that would have damaged their business?  Of course, that is possible.  The De Beers diamond cartel will bribe and sabotage to prevent independent diamond mining.  Big Auto will go to great lengths to suppress any steam engine research too, just because it threatens their business.  People do those things to protect their interests, it only becomes wrong when doing so harms more  than it helps.

An engine that uses H for fuel presents other problems.  H has to be made by using energy, then you get less back when you use it.  Burning H makes only water, no pollution, but H is made from water by using electricity and except for hydroelectric, electric  power is made by nuclear or coal-fired plants which present a waste or pollution problem.  And it takes a LOT of electricity to make H in large amounts.  Solar panels can make electricity to provide H, but you need a LOT of solar panels.

Then you have to carry it around in the vehicle.  You can use a freezer to reduce the H to a liquid at near absolute zero, running the freezer takes a lot of energy and if it breaks down it can be messy.  You can compress the H to 10,000 psi in a tank 5 times the size of a petrol tank [to get the same range] and if there is a wreck and the tank is damaged that could be very messy.  You could opt to haul around about 1500 lbs of metal hydride as your fuel storage.  None of these is very practical.  I think it may be another 25-100 years before we can use H as a practical common fuel for vehicles.

Answer 9

hi, there is no such as an engine that runs on water (a hydrogen engine runs on hydrogen btw), though the theory is possible, like nuclear fission which splits a plutonium atom into two other molecules, releasing energy in the process. the closest you have towards this area is the current engine technology that runs on hydrogen, in the process, the burning of hydrogen produce water as the final product (relative to carbon monoxide etc). thus, the notion that cars no longer gives off greenhouse gases emerged.

but, this is a misunderstanding. yes, burning hydrogen does not give off greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide, but the process of manufacturing hydrogen involve producing carbondioxide as one of the side products. thus, in order for our "green" cars to function, carbon dioxide is still being produced in the plants that manufacture hydrogen. thus, on the whole, switching to hydrogen cars does not help the atmosphere much. one strong positive side to this new engine is that the CO2 produced can be directed to the underground where the gas is being buried, thus not escaping to the atmosphere.

Answer 10

I believe Honda are quite advanced in the development of a hydrogen powered car and it will interesting if they can introduce it at a reasonable price within good safety limits.

Answer 11

as far as I've heard (Denny Cline i believe his name was) made a hydrogen powered torch and from there made a hybrid car.well the not so surprising thing is the gov. jumped on this really fast and are working on a hybrid hummer.so basically as usual they want the technology before we can have it.nothing new.it's about money.

Answer 12

goforit

let me start off by saying Hydrogen is a great option for the concept of free energy.     I built my first hydrogen cell about 5 years ago. Have converted over 50 vehicles in the last 10 years (gydrogen and EV) and now currently run 2 trucks (and another EV), my home hot water heater, home stove and home generator on hydrogen for free with caught rain water and the help of a $10 solar panel.  I offer a step by step DIY guide to walk anyone interested threw the process. You can find it at www agua-luna com or you can email me.

There are basically 3 safe ways to make and use it... chemically, electrically and molecularly, the first 2 being easier so I'll only discuss them here. The fallowing steps were taking directly out of a DIY guide I offer to those who would like to run their vehicles or home on hydrogen safely. The entire guide is available at www agua-luna com

    On demand h2 generators are a bit different from the Hollywood versions like seen Chain Reaction with Keanu Reeves, that tend to explode violently every time a film is being made. However when used in an on-demand system there is no storage of hydrogen and oxygen in its gas form, only liquid (water) and is only transformed into gas “on-demand” in small cylinder size amounts. It’s actually safer then gasoline as it doesn’t evaporate, creating explosive fumes in the tank like gas. the following were actually taken out of my $5 guide available at www agua-luna com

    Chemically

    1. You’ll need a 6inch x 1ft schedule 40 pvc pipe. With pvc cement glue a cap on the bottom and use a s***w on cap for the top. Drill a small hole (1/4inch or so) in the side close to the top, s******g in a small copper shut off valve. Place a few feet of stranded (food grade is good) flex hose to the valve and into the air intake of your engine (carburetor or fuel injections).

    2. Now crunch up a couple aluminum cans (beer cans, soda cans etc) and drop them into the pvc pipe, along with a couple cups of lye (Red Devil drain opener has lye in it, some Clorox and Drano’s do to).

    3. Then simply add water, s***w on the top and wait a few minutes.

    What happens in simplicity is that aluminum and lye don’t really get along so they battle, and as always the innocent civilians (water H2O) that the most casualties, by giving up its hydrogen and oxygen. This then builds up in the void of the pipe and is ready to be vented into your engine, by opening the valve. You may need to start your engine on gas then switch it off after the hydrogen starts burning.

    Electrical is a bit easier then Chemically.

    1. Simply take a small solar panel 1.5 amps is what I use ($9 at harborfreight.com), connect the 2 wires from the panel +- to 2 conductors (carbon cores of batteries work well, just be careful removing it from the jacket), but any conductive material will work ie. Copper, aluminum, steel, etc.

    2. Drop the wires into a water tank (I use 55gal drums), make sure they don’t touch each other.

    3. Drill a small hole (1/4inch or so) in the side close to the top, s******g in a small copper shut off valve. Place a few feet of stranded (food grade is good) flex hose to the valve and into the air intake of your engine (carburetor or fuel injections).

    4. Then simply add water, s***w on the top cap and wait.

    After a few hours tiny bubbles will form and rise off one conductor (that’s hydrogen) and even smaller bubbles that just looks like foam will rise off the other (oxygen). I don’t remember which likes the positive and which likes the neg hydrogen or the oxygen.

    The third method is more complicated and is what I use for my vehicles. It’s just a modified Joe’s Cell, there’s a step by step DIY guide available to walk you threw the process here www agua-luna com

It also covers the other 2 methods described in more detail.

AS FOR THE TECHNOLOGY...

Honda has just released their first Hydrogen car (FCX Clarity).

http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-clarity...

"The FCX Clarity is a next-generation, zero-emissions, hydrogen-powered fuel cell vehicle based on the entirely-new Honda V Flow fuel cell platform, and powered by the highly compact, efficient and powerful Honda V Flow fuel cell stack."

http://world.honda.com/news/2007/4071114...

It definitely has potential for "future car technology". In fact Honda just gave the first Individual Customer from Las Angeles a 2 year lease on the FCX.

http://world.honda.com/news/2005/4050629...

www agua-luna com

Hope this helped, feel free to contact me personally if you have any questions if you’d like assistance in making your first self sufficient steps, I’m willing to walk you step by step threw the process. I’ve written several how-to DIY guides available at  www agua-luna com on the subject. I also offer online and on-site workshops, seminars and internships to help others help the environment.

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Answer 13

Hydrogen fuel difficulties

    For more details on this topic, see Fuel cell.

While fuel cells themselves are potentially highly energy efficient, and working prototypes were made by Roger E. Billings in the 1960s, at least four technical obstacles and other political considerations exist regarding the development and use of a fuel cell-powered hydrogen car.

[edit] Fuel cell cost

Currently, hydrogen fuel cells are costly to produce and fragile. Scientists are studying how to produce inexpensive fuel cells that are robust enough to survive the bumps and vibrations that all automobiles experience. Also, many designs require rare substances such as platinum as a catalyst in order to work properly. Such a catalyst can also become contaminated by impurities in the hydrogen supply. In the past few years, however, a nickel-tin catalyst has been under development which may lower the cost of cells.[12] Fuel cells are generally priced in USD/kW, and data is scarce regarding costs. Producer Ballard is virtually alone in publishing such data. Their 2005 figure was $73 USD/kW (based on high volume manufacturing estimates), which they said was on track to achieve the U.S. DoE's 2010 goal of $30 USD/kW. This would achieve closer parity with internal combustion engines for automotive applications, allowing a 100 kW fuel cell to be produced for $3000. 100 kW is about 134 hp.[13]

[edit] Freezing conditions

Freezing conditions are a major consideration because fuel cells produce water and utilize moist air with varying water content. Most fuel cell designs are fragile and cannot survive in such environments at startup but since heat is a byproduct of the fuel cell process, the major concern is startup capability. Ballard announced that it has already hit the U.S. DoE's 2010 target for cold weather starting which was 50% power achieved in 30 seconds at -20 °C.[14] Although this is a good step, there still has to be many more improvements in that area for fuel cells to be strong enough to hold up to hard weather. Jackob Anderson estimates that 75% power should be generated within 25 seconds of startup at -15 °C.[15]

[edit] Service life

Although service life is coupled to cost, fuel cells have to be compared to existing machines with a service life in excess of 5000 hours[16] for stationary and light-duty. Marine PEM fuel cells reached the target in 2004[17] Research is going on especially for heavy duty like in the bus trails which are targeted up to a service life of 30,000 hours.

[edit] Low volumetric energy

    For more details on this topic, see Hydrogen storage.

Hydrogen has a very low volumetric energy density at ambient conditions, equal to about one-third that of methane. Even when the fuel is stored as a liquid in a cryogenic tank or in a pressurized tank, the volumetric energy density (megajoules per liter) is small relative to that of gasoline. Because of the energy required to compress or liquefy the hydrogen gas, the supply chain for hydrogen has lower well-to-tank efficiency compared to gasoline.[6] Some research has been done into using special crystalline materials to store hydrogen at greater densities and at lower pressures.

[edit] Hydrogen production cost

    For more details on this topic, see Hydrogen production.

Molecular hydrogen can be derived chemically from a feed stock, such as methanol, but can also be produced electrochemically from water. Current technologies for manufacturing hydrogen use energy in various forms, totalling between 25 and 50 percent of the higher heating value of the hydrogen fuel, to produce, compress or liquefy, and transmit the hydrogen by pipeline or truck.[18] Electrolysis, currently the most inefficient method of producing hydrogen, uses 65 percent to 112 percent of the higher heating value on a well-to-tank basis.[19] Environmental consequences of the production of hydrogen from fossil energy resources include the emission of greenhouse gases, a consequence that would also proceed from the on-board reforming of methanol into hydrogen. Studies comparing the environmental consequences of hydrogen production and use in fuel cell vehicles to the refining of petroleum and combustion in conventional automobile engines find a net reduction of ozone and greenhouse gases in favor of hydrogen.[1] Hydrogen production using renewable energy resources would not create such emissions or, in the case of biomass, would create near-zero net emissions assuming new biomass is grown in place of that converted to hydrogen. The scale of renewable energy use today is insufficient and would need to be greatly increased to meet demand for widespread use in transportation. For example, hydroelectricity accounts for approximately 6 percent of global energy use, whereas other renewable resources, such as geothermal, solar and wind comprise only about 1.4 percent of energy production as of 2004.[20] Development of renewable sources faces barriers, and although the amount of energy produced from renewable sources is increasing, as a percentage of worldwide energy production, renewables decreased from 8.15% in 2000 to 7.64% of total energy production in 2004 due to the rapid increase in coal and natural gas production.[20] However, in some countries, hydrogen is being produced using renewable sources. For example, Iceland is using geothermal power to produce hydrogen,[21] and Denmark is using wind.[22]

In addition to the inherent losses of energy in the conversion of feed stock to produce hydrogen which makes hydrogen less advantageous as an energy carrier, there are economic and energy penalties associated with packaging, distribution, storage and transfer of hydrogen.[6]

[edit] Hydrogen infrastructure

    For more details on this topic, see Hydrogen infrastructure.

    For more details on this topic, see Hydrogen highway.

In order to distribute hydrogen to cars, the current gasoline fueling system would need to be replaced, or at least significantly supplemented with hydrogen fuel stations. Hydrogen stations are being built in various places around the world.[23] Private and state initiatives like California's "California Hydrogen Highway" are already starting the infrastructure transition in advance of any manufacturers mass producing hydrogen cars.[24] Replacement of the existing extensive gasoline fuel station infrastructure would cost a half trillion U.S. dollars in the United States alone.[25]

[edit] Political considerations

Most of today's hydrogen is produced using fossil energy resources.[26] While some advocate hydrogen produced from non-fossil resources, there could be public resistance or technological barriers to the implementation of such methods. For example, the United States Department of Energy currently supports research and development aimed at producing hydrogen utilizing heat from generation IV reactors. Such nuclear power plants could be configured to cogenerate hydrogen and electricity. Hydrogen produced in this fashion would still incur the costs associated with transportation and compression or liquefaction assuming direct (molecular) hydrogen is the on-board fuel. Recently, alternative methods of creating hydrogen directly from sunlight and water through a metallic catalyst have been announced. This may eventually provide an economical, direct conversion of solar energy into hydrogen a very clean solution for hydrogen production.[27]

Some in Washington advocate schemes[28] other than hydrogen vehicles to replace the petroleum-based internal combustion engine vehicles. Plug-in hybrids, for example, would augment today's hybrid gasoline-electric vehicles with greater battery capacity to enable increased use of the vehicle's electric traction motor and reduced reliance on the combustion engine. The batteries would be charged via the electric grid when the vehicle is parked. Electric power transmission is about 95 percent efficient and the infrastructure is already in place (though substantial grid expansion would be needed if a sizeable fleet of plug-in hybrids were to be deployed.) Tackling the current drawbacks of electric cars or plug-in hybrid electric vehicles is believed by some to be easier than developing a whole new hydrogen infrastructure that mimics the obsolete model of oil distribution. A plug-in hybrid transportation system would face the same thermodynamic hurdles as would a system of hydrogen vehicles relying on electrolysis for its molecular hydrogen. The current electric grid, which is dominated by fossil energy resources in the United States, has a fuel-to-power efficiency of roughly 40 percent. Both the plug-in hybrids and the electrolytic hydrogen system would be subject to these comparative inefficiencies.

United States President George W. Bush was optimistic that these problems could be overcome with research. In his 2003 State of the Union address, he announced the U.S. government's hydrogen fuel initiative,[29] which complements the President's existing FreedomCAR initiative for safe and cheap hydrogen fuel cell vehicles. Critics charge that focus on the use of the hydrogen car is a dangerous detour from more readily available solutions to reducing the use of fossil fuels in vehicles. K.G. Duleep speculates that "a strong case exists for continuing fuel-efficiency improvements from conventional technology at relatively low cost."[5] Challenging perspectives to many such critics of hydrogen vehicles in particular and of a hydrogen economy in general were presented in the contentious, 2006, documentary film, Who Killed the Electric Car?

President Bush's hydrogen car goals, in the opinion of some writers, are slipping away because "there are quicker, cleaner, safer and cheaper ways to reduce the tail-pipe emissions from cars and trucks that pollute the air and contribute to global warming." According to physicist and former U

Answer 14

The ways of the world, plenty of people share your anger i tell you.

Oil companies dont allow nothing to decrease their profits.

they have people on high levels to see that nothing is done to allow alternative cars to become common vehicles.

If you are tempted to learn more why the electric cars were suddenly taken off the market during 90`s, check wikipeadia about document"who killed the electric car"

youtube has stuff on that matter too.

Answer 15

look up a product called the BALLARD HYDROGEN FUEL CELL it should give you the answers you are looking for

Answer 16

It was a con and you can still find it in many, many web sites. Only now they use the term HHO, or brown's gas, etc. Every, and I mean EVERY, time these devices are tested they fail. But the great part of any con is to put it on the victim, sorry customer, if the customer call and claim it didn’t work, you ask if they followed the plans exactly, was part A exactly 1.115 mm away from part B, well there’s one problem you need to fix. Do that and tell me if that solved the problem, it won’t so they point you to another part, etc. until they are suddenly not there anymore.  

This is in the same pile as the 200 MPG carburetor, magnets, fuel vaporizers, it’s a con and not even a good one.

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