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What Proof is left that global warming is real?

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The past few years low temps have turned the average for the last 40+ years into global cooling.

CO2 levels have remained high, but the temps have gone down.

The only thing that is still holding true to science is that the Sun finished unusually high output activity a few years ago, but that doesnt really support human caused global warming/climate change.

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  1. there are many ignorant people out there

    And they are arguing over points of  academic data

    as if that changes anything.

    And authoritarian forces are taking advantage of the phenomena

    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;...

    HOW EVER

    There is a series that you can download easy ,called

    bbc,Planet earth by David Attenborough.

    About 15 ---700mb videos

    this is a photographic team that has been filming Nature stories all over the world ,for a very long time .

    In 3 of the episodes called --the future--saving species

    the future--living together ,ice worlds ,

    they compare films they made before of places and species to what they are filming now in the same places.

    Many scientists give  commentaries as well .

    And whole migrations of animals involving millions have disappeared in only 20 years

    Ice sheets,glaziers have gone

    They say about half of the worlds forests have gone in the last 300 years

    Half of the natural  habitats,like wetlands , ice fields tundras,mountain vegetation and rain forests . in the last 50 years,and all of the inhabitants with it

    CHECK THE CLOCK FOR THE SPEED

    http://www.poodwaddle.com/worldclock.swf



    Global warming is a component in a group of destructive forces at work ,it is not the only one , but  other factors which we are responsible for ,are rapidly making it the worst .

    We are now  witnessing a mass   Extinction of animals and plants of Biblical proportions,equal since the disappearance of the dinosaurs.

    Who cares what it is called or WHY EXACTLY  IT IS HAPPENING ,What or who is to blame

    If we want to save ourselves as a specie ,we have to address

    the problems

    Apparently we can correct most of the destructive factors

    with disciplines ,changes of attitude and habits.

    A diminishing of the world population is essential especially in poor and densely populated areas.

    a world sustainable number BASED ON BIO RESOURCES  is 3 billion,

    And so far we can still do it voluntary,There may come a time when the governments will take harsh actions .

    If they are not already doing this underground


  2. You must have majored in the George W Bush school of denial.

    The question should be...

    What proof remains to justify denial of science?

  3. Natural global warming; there is an abundance of proof.

    AGW; there is no proof. Its still just a theory.

  4. There is none.  There's just the belief that since the temperatures have trended upward for a few years, the trend will continue forever.

    That's all there is to so-called "global warming".

  5. NONE.   Check out this graph

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Vosto...

    This is from ice cores in antarctica.  CLEARLY, you can see we went from 180 ppm/8*C below modern temps in the depth of the last ice age, to 280 ppm/current temperatures.

    But recent co2 readings place us at 380 ppm, yet the temperatures have not risen to 8*C above modern temperatures.  Why not?

    Why did the increase from 180 ppm to 280 cause a 8*C increase in temps while an increase from 280 to 380 ppm caused a .6*C increase?

    James hansen, one of the biggest advocates of AGW said the changes in earths orbit are very insignificant, and cause virtually none of the temperature variations/ice ages.  He claimed co2 was the driver when it comes to ice ages.  Why cant james hansen tell us why temperatures have stopped increasing (relative to the ice age) while co2 continues to skyrocket?

  6. There never was any 'proof' of human made global warming, only the corrolation of temperature with CO2.

    Carbon dioxide does have some tendancy to retain heat, but this is very small compared to what some researchers are speculating.

    (edit)  

    Shapeshifter - you know the other thing that graph shows - When the CO2 level gets to it's peak, the temperate goes through a rapid drop.  It's as if having a high level of CO2 causes the temperature to drop.

  7. LOL, They are calling GW denial BIZZARE???  

    Then answer with a CONSENSUS and a GALLUP pole?????

    Reminds me of when Kerry said, "I support Iraq, don't support....  Uh, let's take a pole."

    That is the absolute only science that GW enthusiasts have....

    NOT ONE SHRED OF EVIDENCE but they are namecalling, ridiculing and making fun of reality.

    REALITY: China's coldest winter in 100 YEARS!!!!!!!!!

    True the temps of the entire world are what counts, but when you are taking the measurements and inputting the data; you would tend to have some impact as to the output, right?  Just like if it were your sandbox.

    Give a scientist a living wage and he will give you knowledge.  Give a scientist wealth and he will give you anything you want!

    Sorry, still laughing at the pole thing.....  LOLOL

    Anyway, that's pretty much all they got since all the scientists in denial are EX IPCC SCIENTISTS!!!!  LOLOLOL

  8. All of it.

    Interesting that you ask for proof, but offer none to support your bizzare claims.

    You must be part of the 6% of the population believes that global warming is a hoax and that the lunar landing was a hoax:

    "Seven out of ten Americans surveyed believe that global warming is probably happening. Seventy-one percent say that global warming is probably happening, 6 percent believe it is probably not happening, and 23 percent are unsure. This includes an 81-to-3 percent margin among Democrats, a 75-to-4 percent margin among independents, and a 56-to-13 percent margin among Republicans."

    http://www.fightglobalwarming.com/conten...

    "A 1999 poll by the The Gallup Organization found that 89 percent of the US public believed the landing was genuine, while 6 percent did not..."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Moon...

  9. dont you mean the last month of cooling proves that you need alittle more education on stats?

    read this

    http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/fu...

    BEYOND THE IVORY TOWER: The Scientific Consensus on Climate Change -- Oreskes 306 (5702): 1686 -- Science

  10. There is no proof of AGW , only theories.

  11. The past ten years have been cooler compared to the past ten years, but warmer (lots warmer) compared to the past century.

  12. I read people posting to answer many different question the temperature is lower, this has been the coldest winter ever, global cooling, but where I live in Houston Texas it was one of the warmest winters we have had in the 8 years I have lived here.  Usually if freezes at least once.  I waited and waited but it never froze.  So just to clarify for the doubters the average temperature of the ENTIRE WORLD is the what the global warming theory is talking about not just where you live.  And from all of the projections I have read in the average temperature of the ENTIRE WORLD will increase 2 - 10 degrees over the next 100 years.  My money would be on the low end.  The reason people who believe care so much about the 2 degrees in one hundred years is because now we have the chance to do something about it.    Lets figure out what can be done about pollution and find renewable hydrocarbons and not argue about whether it is real because the simple fact is pollution affects the environment.

    Sorry if I come off rude it's just the GB school of denial gets me

  13. You mean what evidence, not proof. The evidence is all on the side of those who believe in anthropogenic warming. Solar activity has remained steady while temperatures have steadily increased. Natural sources of CO2 are not the primary contributors. There have been several years during the warming trend where temperatures temporarily dropped, leading skeptics to say that GW was over or an illusion. The temperatures rose again. You are mistaking normal variance of a small time period for long term trends. This is sophomoric, to say the least. The only way to prevent yourself from more extreme embarrassment when you learn more about science and realize how silly the mistake you have made is, would be to come back on this forum when the temperature once again rises and tell everyone that GW is real, and that you were wrong.

  14. "CO2 levels have remained high, but the temps have gone down."

    This has been the case for every warming/cooling cycle ever detected in the Earth's geological data...this one is no different.

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