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What do the illegal immigration debate and the inequality debate have in common?

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oth seem to turn on zero-sum versus positive-sum framing of the issues.

Much opposition to immigration derives from the belief – correct or not – that immigrants create a burden on the welfare state. Since the dollars spent on welfare (including public health, education, and so forth) can’t simultaneously be spent on other projects (or left in the taxpayers’ pockets), the zero-sum framing is justified: the immigrants’ gain is our loss. But even if the immigrants-on-welfare argument is put to rest, either by laws restricting immigrants’ reliance on welfare or evidence demonstrating the problem is small, some people will still oppose immigration because of the perception that immigrants take American jobs. Here, the zero-sum framing is mistaken, relying on the bogus belief that the number of jobs is fixed, meaning the immigrants' job gain is our job loss. But given that belief, opposition to immigration follows naturally enough.

The debate over inequality follows a similar pattern. Why should we be concerned at all about inequality? The presumption is that gains to the rich necessarily imply losses to the poor – another example of zero-sum framing. The presumption is wrong, because it fails to consider the possibility that everyone might gain in absolute terms. It’s true, for instance, that the share of income received by every income quintile except the top one has decreased over time. But it’s also true that the average real income of every quintile has increased at the very same time. It’s just not true that the rich have gotten richer and the poor have gotten poorer; instead, the rich have gotten a lot richer and the poor have gotten a little richer. It’s a positive-sum game. Once this fact is understood, some opposition to inequality should dissolve. But the debate isn’t over, because the opponents of inequality fall back on a different argument: that the relative success of the rich makes the rich feel smug and the poor feel envious. Even if the absolute material well-being of the poor has improved, their relative well-being has declined. By means of this argument, the inequality debate is framed once again as a zero-sum game: if we care intensely about relative status, gains to the rich are ipso facto losses to the poor.

It should go without saying that I’m simplifying greatly. Probably the most important factor I’ve glossed over is that positive-sum is not synonymous with beneficial to everyone involved. Immigration may (I believe does) create gains that exceed the losses to all parties, making it a positive-sum activity; and in the long run, I think almost everyone shares in the gains (through, among other things, lower-priced goods and services). But almost doesn’t mean universal, and some people assuredly lose. They would have reason to oppose immigration even without a zero-sum perspective. Similar, the kind of economic system that generates high inequality along with widespread growth in real incomes doesn’t help absolutely everyone. There are certainly many short-run losers and some long-run losers as well. They, too, might have reason to oppose the system even without thinking in zero-sum terms. Still, I think it’s interesting how far the zero-versus-positive-sum distinction goes in explaining policy debates.

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  1. my thoughts?

    you have lived in your own little ivory tower for way too long, and you have no blooody idea what the real situations and problems are regarding the illegal immigration.

    and oh,  where did you cut these passages from? and oh, YAWNNNN....


  2. ' because they are poor and unskilled their labor contributions will never out weigh their costs!'

    You are exactly right!

  3. Simple, if you are here illegally you should be deported.

  4. Way to long!

  5. There is no correlation, do you know what burden is anyway? Liberalism is a mental disorder that clouds the mind and compromises ones ability to decipher logic. I fear it is too late for you. If you don't think illegal immigration is an issue go try and find two indians that are not working at a casino. Or consider the teachers in England right now are living in fear of being killed by there muslim students because of their science lessons. Do you see what cheap labor got them? If may be cheap in the beginning but somebody pays at the end, I promise.

  6. here watch this

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yITEJVrFL...

    hope this helps!!!

  7. Only from the viewpoint of whitey scum. there is no debate , The whitey scum do not want them here and that is all to it.What they say are excuses. they never needed excuses before for hating the brown hispanic. The whitey scum in Mexico a feel the same way. Why do u think they are sending them to the USA.

  8. You mention the rich and the poor, you left out the class most Americans fall into, and therefore the most important to them: middle class.

    What about things like out-sourcing and massive visa sponsorship, which then turns into visa overstayment. All methods corps use to increase the bottom line and guarantee a spineless work force. Sure, its legal, but is it good for the country?

    Our country receives immigrants from all over, but only the highly unskilled, uneducated come illegally. Again this is beneficial to the corps, not to the average American.

    Why would an illegal put into the system? The whole point of being illegal is to be under the radar and contributing as little as possible, while taking whatever you can. The concept of an illegal paying taxes is as laughable as an illegal paying for auto insurance.

    Mow makes another good point. These people are so grindingly poor, and they come to the US as such, with nothing to put in, yet they want to eat, feed 7 kids, etc. Where does this money come from? You can feed a family of 10 on a contruction workers wages? You cant, and the "poor" illegals receive benefits because 2/7 kids were born on US soil. This is socialism at its worst.

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