What do you think about the British/USA creation of the Jewish-State of Neo-Israel in 1948?

Question

Occupation = terrorism ?

Answer 1

Why did you have to drag the US into it?  The US only had important ties with Israel starting in the 70s.  The US sided with Egypt during the Suez Crisis for instance.  Read a book.

Israel declared independence from the UK, the UK did not create Israel. infact it humiliated the UK to lose that land.

Answer 2

I see it as an ancient people that had occupied this land centuries before returned to it. Since so many countries wanted jews to leave ie. WWII Germany this makes the best sense.

Answer 3

Something had to be done to help these people who were the survivors of the hollocaust who suffered such devastation that was beyond the beyond.   Anyone who disagrees should come up with a better answer.  That they can't all get along speaks to mans inhumanity to man. That America is, was, and always will be the referee of humanity is testament to the Godliness of its people.  God Bless America!

Answer 4

The one and only Jewish State is the State of Israel which was created by the Zionist movement. The former British mandate was divided to an Arab Palestinian State called Jordan and a Jewish State called the State of Israel. Both major groups, the Arabs and Jews got a country and they should live in peace with each other, without the usual Arab suicide bombers and Kassam rockets and kidnappings.

Answer 5

The modern state of Israel has its roots in the Land of Israel (Eretz Yisrael), a concept central to Judaism for over three thousand years. After World War I, the League of Nations approved the British Mandate of Palestine with the intent of creating a "national home for the Jewish people."[7] In 1947, the United Nations approved the partition of the Mandate of Palestine into two states.

Answer 6

History anyone?

Israel? Jewish name, agree.

Palestine? Was named from the Roman Philistine to p**s off the Jews. And then with the Greeks turning the area into a great port, many of the poor syrains, greek, and other poor immigrates came there to work.

After the Greek/ Romans sold it off to Britain if you could really say they sold it, kind of like how the Americans sold the land to the USA,

Why? doesn't anyother Muslim country just invite the Palestines in and help them? Because everyother country in the region hates the Palestines. But they hate Israel more. Therefore we hear about it.

America used to be a Christian Country

England as well

The Middle East well Muslim except for that 100 square miles called Israel

Answer 7

It has allowed and allows to control the oil price by the British and USA oil companies. To destabilize Middle East was created Israel. Also it was a solution for the millions of Jews

without land and money that n**i regime originated.

Answer 8

I think its obvious that it has destablized the region since they did it.

Answer 9

amm well it was not british/usa creation. to my recall it was voted in the UN and accepted by 33 to 13 majority. 10 abstentions, including UK...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_UN_Par...

Answer 10

Bad, bad idea. Bad for the Palestinians. Bad for the Jews.

But this is 2008, not 1948, and we can't change what has happened. Israel exists now, and has a right to continue to do so.

Answer 11

For starters, it is called the "State of Israel". You are not being "clever" by calling it that.

Secondly, the USA did not "create" Israel and was minimally involved in the whole affair during Israel's birth.

As far as Britain is concerned, they also did not "create" Israel, though they were the previous rulers of the land.

Since there was no independent state of Palestine, the creation and existence of Israel does not imply an occupation.

Also, your equation does not hold. Even if we assume for argument's sake that there is an occupation, occupation per se is not terrorism.

Terrorist acts couples with terrorist ideology is terrorism.

For a prime example of that, look no further than Hamas.

Answer 12

I think you have your facts wrong if you think that Israel was handed over to the Jews following WWII.

Here is a rather long history lesson, but since you asked, I suggest you take the time to read it:

Around the year 1800 the population of the region counted 7K Jews, 22k Christians and about 250K Muslims (Arabs) all under ottoman rule, and all the figures come from WikiPedia. at 1890, those numbers grow to 43k, 57K, and 432K respectively - the Jews grow up in number mostly due to migration, the Arabs mostly due to natural growth but migration played a roll as well - and by 1931, those numbers go to 175K Jews, around 90K Christians and 760K Arabs.

Note that during all this time, the Arab population outnumbers the Jewish by at least 4 to 1 (at 1931), and during that time the area was under control of the Turks until WWI, then the Brits. During this period, there was quite little violence between the Jews and the Arabs (with some very notable exceptions, like the 1929 Heron massacre, where the local Arabs killed dozens of their Jewish neighbors). All the land that was acquired by the Jews during that time was bough with money - to which the local population had no objection, since they were rather poor and needed both the funds and European technology brought in by the Jewish people. those who claim that the Jews had misplaced the local population, should take a good look at those figures, and ponder how could it physically happen with the former being mostly unarmed and outnumbered (at the beginning) by over 30 to 1.

in the 1930's the migration of Jews to Israel speeds up, and by 1947 there are 630K Jews, around 150K Christians and around 1200K (over a million) Muslim Arabs. During this time, there were very few land transactions between Jews and Arabs, and the Jewish newcomers mostly settle on land bought by the Jews in previous years.

It's important to note that all these figures -include- the territories of the west bank and the Gaza strip.

also note that during this time, the land of (today's) Jordan, that was back then part of Palestine and over 3 times as large as the land of (today's) Israel was handed by the Brits to one of the local Arab leaders (who controlled the majority of the population of that area anyhow).

at 1948 the state of Israel was officially declared, after the approval of the partitioning plan by the UN, the essence of which was that areas with Jewish majority are to become the Jewish state, areas with Arab majority are to become the (second, after Jordan) Palestinian state, and the city of Jerusalem and its surroundings are to become an international area, with equal access rights to all parties.

the local Arab leaders, mostly the one who got Jordan, figured they could drive the Jews off the land and take back the land they had previously sold, as well as all the infrastructure added by the Jews - and so the day after Israel was declared, they had launched an organized campaign against it, at the beginning of which they urged the Arab population to get out of their way, while promising them the lands of Israel. Many did "get out of their way" into areas of Arab control (mostly in the west bank as its known today), settling in temporary as they thought refugee camps. The war had lasted longer than any of the Arabs could expect (well into 1949), which they lost eventually. During that war the west bank and eastern part of Jerusalem had been de-facto annexed to Jordan instead of becoming a new Arab state, while the Gaza strip was annexed to Egypt in similar fashion. Israel, on the other hand, had managed to drive a wedge between those two, and take over the Negev, the southern area of Israel, which was very sparsely populated back then (as well as now) by either Jews or Arabs.

The 1949 ceasefire between Israel and the Arab countries had left the geography more or less as it is. the Arabs that had fled out of Israel and onto the west bank and Gaza after being urged to do so by the Arab leaders couldn't get back since the Israelis wouldn't have them back after they had sided with it's enemies; on the other hand, the Arab leaders also refused to give them citizenship at their countries, stating that they will get them their land back (meaning the land of Israel).

during the following 20 years, this rather explosive status quo remained, with many incidents such as Jordan artillery and sniper fire into west Jerusalem (which was under Jewish control and populated by Jews), as well as infiltration done by small units, both from Jordan and Egypt, which mostly attacked civilian targets (the latter leading to an open war with Egypt at 1956).

It lasted until 1967, when the Arab countries had made yet another attempt to take over Israel which ended in a total defeat for all the Arab armies (Jordan, Egypt, Syria, as well as aid in the form of troops and arms coming from Iraq and Saudi Arabia). Syria had lost the Golan heights, a high plateau which they often used as a staging area for artillery aimed at the northern regions of Israel, Jordan had lost the west bank and Egypt had lost the Gaza strip as well as the Sinai peninsula, which is mostly desert and is 3 times as big as Israel - the latter had been handed beck to them as a part of the peace treaty between the two at 1977. In all of these areas, no Arab population was displaced, and the only demographic change was the establishment of a few dozens of small Jewish settlements in those regions - counting less than 100K residents all combined (today; far less at that time).

It's important to note that Egypt had not issued a demand for the Gaza strip, nor Jordan did for the west bank, as part of the peace treaties with Israel. The most likely reason for this appears to be rather simple - if they did, they would have to accept all the residents of the area as their citizens, including the Arab refugees from 1948 (which remained in refugee camps during all the 20 years they lived under Arab jurisdiction...).

as for the situation today, the west bank remain formally under Israeli control, however it has it's own Arab parliament and police and large parts of it has no Jewish presence, civilian or military (though they do get in often to sort some things concerning to national security). The Gaza strip is different, not being under Israeli control - formally or otherwise. It to have its own parliament that is run by a different faction than the one in the west bank. This faction, the Hamas, is basically a terrorist organization doubling as a political faction, who won the last "elections" in the strip and chased out (or killed) the opposition immediately afterwards. the leaders of this faction often state that all of the land of Israel belongs to the Palestinians and that they would settle for no less - and are willing to use any means to achieve it, including the use of suicide bombers and rocket attacks aimed against civilian population of nearby Israeli towns. Nevertheless, currently the strip has very limited infrastructure, and rely on power, water and medical supplies coming mostly from Israel, who continues to supply them despite of their violence against them in order to prevent a complete humanitarian catastrophe in the strip.

So much for the modern history of the land of Israel and the Palestinian refugee problem. I know there are a lot of clips on YouTube and other places stating otherwise and blaming the "Zionist" in all of the problems, but I hope you can see beyond the propaganda. of course, you don't have to take my word on it; you can just as well go look this up in official historical sources, and I'm speaking about neutral ones, being neither Israeli or Arabic; you can check the land ownership records, at least since WWI when the Brits took over the land called Palestine. besides, there are even some Arab sources admitting that it were they who urged the Israeli Arab population to leave in the beginning of the 1948 war, the most notable of those are the memoirs of a former Syrian government official, who either served or died in 1973 or had the memoirs published in that year (outside of Syria, of course, who wouldn't allow such material) - I remember reading it, but I don't remember the name or exact dates.

And a final note: most if not all Arab countries are run as dictatorships, with some being fundamental dictatorships. History shows that in order to last for long, any dictatorship needs active enemies, someone who would be really hated by all of their population, to serve as glue holding the people together; Israel just seemed to be the perfect candidate.

So much for the land ownership question - and note that I haven't mentioned the Bible so far, nor I did the ancient state of Israel that existed some 2000 years ago. the reason is that while this legacy was the reason for the Jewish people to want this piece of real estate in particular, it was never used by them to actually get it. it was never something like "it's mine, give it back" - nor did the UN simply "hand it over" to the Jews after the holocaust, which I also failed to mention, with it having much less relevance to this question than what most people think (it did speed things up quite a bit after WWII; it certainly helped to convince the world that the Jews need a state of their own. it wasn't, however, the reason behind the idea of Israel altogether - as the renewed Jewish national movement, Zionism, existed for at least 2/3 of a century prior to WWII, while the desire itself to come back to the land of Israel is over 2000 years old), and for some reason those are the most widespread conceptions of the story around the creation of Israel.

Answer 13

disgraceful!....it was palistilian land!