What do you think of my mare's pedigree?

Question

Is there any names on there that look familiar..i now the Peppy san Badger bloodline and Doc Bar but i don't rele know any from the dams side..do these names ring a bell and if so in your opinion what would you rate her pedigree and wat do u think about it...look at this link (copy and paste)

http://www.aqhamembers.com/IFS/0161766015005600648108000000000.html

Answer 1

I really like her pedigree both top and bottom. Her dams sire Doc's Solono was actually the youngest horse to ever win an AQHA Championship. On bottom some of the other really big names are a little further back so don't show on her face papers though.

I just added her into All Breed Pedigree for you:

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/miss+cas...

There you can see her extended pedigree and it's pretty good. Looks to be a pretty balanced pedigree with lots of cow and some speed lines thrown in. Should be a great mare to take in pretty much any direction you want to go.

Answer 2

Have to agree with Silvasp..she has a clue.  Yes, it would be nice if the mare had a bit stronger bottom side on the dam's side but the mare is no slouch...contrary to what some would have you believe.

http://qhd.com/records/ranking.asp?rankt...

Look for Smart Chic Olena ... number 1 on the above list.

Smart Little Lena is also there.  Smart Little Lena also has running blood in his back ground.   And he's a top cutting horse.  

I see Rey Jay in her background and he's a King Ranch bred cutting horse on the dam's side.  

I see Miss n cash (race bred)....here's some info on him....I see halter winners,  working cow horse winners.

http://qhd.com/horse/stallion.asp?id=298...

http://qhd.com/halloffame/aqhahalloffame...

Many "Hall of Fame" horses in your mare's background.

http://www.nchacutting.com/ag/pubs/hall_...

Cutting horse hall of fame

The best suggestion I would give you is take a copy of your mare's papers to a cutting horse trainer, one who's been in the business for a very long time for a proper evaluation of your mare's bloodlines....I've got a grandson of Doc's Hickory, Doc Tom Tucker and for a good evaluation of his bloodline I took a copy of his papers to a legendary cow horse  trainer/exhibitor to find out what I have....I can tell you from that, my horse is NOT for sale.   He has proven himself in the cutting pen and as a heeling horse.  He can work both ends.     You need to talk to people who are actively in the business either cutting, cow horse, or reining for an accurate evaluation of your mares bloodlines and what they feel her chances are in becoming a successful cutter, reiner, or cow horse.

Much depends on the trainer to bring any horse along to be successful...And if the horse is having a time of it, I'd look hard at the trainer before I'd blame the horse.  

Anything else is just a guesstimate.  You'll find names of individuals, some may live near you, who are qualified to give you the answer you're seeking....look on line at NRCHA.com or The Reining Horse or Stock Horse News.

http://nrcha.com/default.aspx

http://www.nchacutting.com/

http://quarterhorsenews.com/

EDIT:  Contrary to what some will tell you, bloodlines rarely fail in an evaluation of a horse, if you take the best to the best, stallion and mare; many of these horses the average horse person/trainer can't afford and won't be offered a ride on them;  you're working the averages and this particular cross delivers... King Fritz/Doc Bar.........per Bob Avila (the number one trainer of cow horses in the country)...he should know.   This is a "magic" nic.  A horse, with this "nic"  would have to be falling down stupid not to respond to a cow.   Those with this bloodline have a better average of becoming winners...Les Vogt is also enthused with the King Fritz's  as he owned him....and showed many of his sons and daughters to wins in cow horse classes in California, involving the top three talents of a working cow horse, cutting, reining and fence work ; King Fritz was also known as a broodmare sire;

http://qhd.com/horse/stallion.asp?id=309...

Involved with horses and AQHA for over 54 years...Halter, Trail, Working Cow Horse, Western Pleasure, AQHA World Qualifiers ++++, AQHA show steward; I've had the privilege of working with world renown judges. Learned much from them while working with them in the showpen.

Answer 3

Your mare does have a nice pedigree. If I personally could rewrite anything, I'd remove the speed and put cow in it's place. I don't like mixing the two, but it's far back enough that it really doesn't matter. As far as putting her in cutting training, I think you'll have to have a trainer evaluate your horse, not her papers. I have had some horses that have cow written all over their pedigree that just didn't get it, then some that are grade horses that have more natural cow than I can handle some days. A good trainer can do a lot with a horse and a bad trainer can destroy the good that is in one. I'd be a lot more concerned about the trainer I was sending a horse of that caliber to than what others thought of her pedigree. The person would be riding her would be who I would be my number one concern. And, to be honest, none of the better trainers I've used have asked to see the pedigree. They can read the horse and tell what it's got and what the horse can't read never mattered.

Answer 4

Well seeing how I already answered this in e-mail I'll post part of what I said:

Yes, the top side is CUTTING Bred!  Horses like Smart Little Lena, Cutter Bill, Doc Bar are all well known horses, nation wide in the Cutting World.  Not really sure what they were wanting to produce with the bottom side. Dash For Cash was a race horse who's get are GREAT running barrels!  BUT the Grand Dam's bottom side once again goes to the cutting blood, so kinda makes me wonder what they were going for.  I'd take her to a penning and see if somebody's put any cattle time on her if you haven't had her that long.  All but the top of the bottom side of your filly's dam have done something, BUT that top of the bottom side, hasn't done anything since  Dash For Cash.

Try her on cattle, maybe team penning?

Answer 5

Topside your filly is bred really good with nice cutting lines. However she's not very well bred on the bottom. You don't get really into any medium to major winners and well knowns until 4th generation.

Keep in mind that bloodlines aren't going to guarantee a win, they only give a 50/50 look at what her potential can be. The horses overall conformation, health, natural ability, personality and training are going to form who this horse in fact is- not the bloodlines.

Also, remember cutting is 80% natural ability and 20% training. If a horse isn't cowy, they aren't going to perform well, and that's okay, they could always be good at something else. The last thing you want to do is push cattle work and cutting on your filly- as you could make her more fearful and ruin her confidence.

EDIT: Katie. I believe you meant NCHA(cutting). Smart Little Lena is NCHA's all time leading stallion. Here is a link that you can view to gain more information on his winnings, breeding, and training.

http://www.smart-little-lena.info/

Smart Chic Olena is a Million Dollar Sire and while he's competed in both NCHA and NRHA events. He has won more money with the NCHA. He is standing at Babcock Ranch in Texas. Here's his link so you can view his information too.

http://www.babcockranch.com/Stallions.as...

EDIT AGAIN: This is not to say that your filly isn't a nice horse. But her bottom line is a bit of a jumble if you can understand. There are a lot of speed lines mixed in with cow bloodlines. Her top line is really even with either cutting or reined-cow horse bloodlines. I would have liked to see her bottom line with the same. When I look for a well bred cutting horse- I like to see cutting lines top and bottom. I'm not going to go looking for a cutting or reining horse that is only bred for that sport on one side and then jumping, western pleasure or barrels on the other.

With the way your horse is bred I would look to put her in Ranch Versatility work or Ranch rodeo's as she most likely has a lot of speed and cow to her.

Answer 6

Doc, Doc's bar, and Poco are all good old foundation quarter horse lines!

Answer 7

from what i know of quarters i recognize some of the names.

just from the lena line i would say you've got a smart little mare.

mainly have fun with her and don't get caught up in winning.

i had an app mare from 75-2000.  never put her in shows except for fun days.  she was never beat in time, but i had fun even when she showed her flaky side.

one show was held indoors.  well the barn we were out was all outside and she wasn't supposed to do anything but walk thru the barn.  now i'm trying to get her to run down to barrel and back.  well it took half the barn to get her to lope, then she spooked at the barrel, jumped six feet sideways, then bolted for home.  when everyone started laughing at us, i realized they heard me telling her she knew what a barrel was.  the people i had gone with told me they didn't realize she could run.  they had always seen her just walking around and fallin asleep if i stopped to talk to anyone.  i miss that mare.

Answer 8

Try going to allbreedpedigree.com and then researching some of the bigger names. It'll help you find out more of your horses ancestors.

Answer 9

She's got more of the reining/cow horse type bloodlines.  Smart Chic Olena is very famous!  Smart Little Lena is famous too, and even though it doesn't list him as having any AQHA points, he earned a lot of money in the NRHA for reining.  So did Smart Chic Olena.

I think she has very good bloodlines depending on what you want to use her for.  If you were thinking of breeding her later down the road, I would definitely look for something with reining type bloodlines to complement what she's already bred for.  I bet she's very athletic looking!