What does the holocaust have to do with the old testament?

Question

I can't see much besides the legitimization of the state of Israel.

So I ask all you who are so humane, compassionate and politically correct:

Why was Israel created after WW2? This was a devastating series of events that rocked Europe and Asia, and in its wake, decisions of compensation. Most of the claims that I hear about Israel's right to exist as a state have to do with events dating far before the modern era.

If Israel has been chosen by G-d as the land where the Jew-ISH *note the ISH(kenazi) people should reside, why is it plagued by such violence? Why has this state of the chosen people arisen from such malice and destruction? Why should Arabs be asked to leave? This does not seem characteristic of a blessed, or holy place.

How does this rest with the belief that Israel (in its current state) is the way to go? How is the violence done to Palestinians justifiable? The Palestinians operated no death camps. Yet, this is why you are in their country. Explain.

Answer 1

Violence and hatred are  the major drivers for the Israeli culture inherited from the Babylonian civilization.

They are the keepers of that culture over the years and till the end of days. This is what their God promised them.

Even between them and their God, you will find them always under punishment from him or on argument against what he tells them to do.

He promises them with land of others, he promises them with killing and plaguing others but he does not forget to promise them with humiliation and misery too.

So that  hateful  and psychic culture inherited from the sick and old Babylonian culture is going to live with us for some time.

All what we can do is to pray that it ends the soonest

Answer 2

One of the prophesies in the bible is that Israel would come back together and form a nation after many many years. Israel is the God's chosen nation, his "people" back in the bible. But now God's followers are everywhere. Since the beginning of the earth there has been a spiritual battle between Satan and God. Satan hates God and his people. Satan wants to destroy Israel. Satan uses people to do what he wants.

Answer 3

You got some good if incomplete answers here.  The Holocaust is in the bible passage you were given.

If you want to know the truth read it. Spend years studying the Bible like I have and you won't have so much trouble with your understanding of mankind and his actions.

Answer 4

Well hello there Sushi King,

Israel was created so that Jewish people will have a safe haven away from anti Semites.

Sincerely,

Ms. Miche ; })

Answer 5

Nothing. The jewish agency was formed in 1920 with the explicit intention of taking over Palestine. They would have done so regardless of when the mandate ended. It is merely a coincidence that the mandate ended three years after the holocaust business. None of the "founders' of the zionist occupation entity were holocaust survivors.

Answer 6

some believe as I that the Prophet Ezekial spoke in chapter 37 about the holocaust that later led to the formation of the Nation of Israel in 1948.

Ezekial chapter 37:1-14

The hand of the LORD was upon me, and(B) he brought me out in the Spirit of the LORD and set me down in the middle of the valley;[a] it was full of bones. 2And he led me around among them, and behold, there were very many on the surface of the valley, and behold, they were very dry. 3And he said to me,(C) "Son of man,(D) can these bones live?" And(E) I answered, "O Lord GOD, you know." 4Then he said to me,(F) "Prophesy over these bones, and say to them,(G) O dry bones, hear the word of the LORD. 5Thus says the Lord GOD to these bones: Behold, I will cause(H) breath[b] to enter you, and you shall live. 6(I) And I will lay sinews upon you, and will cause flesh to come upon you, and(J) cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and you shall live, and you shall know that I am the LORD."

7So I prophesied(K) as I was commanded. And as I prophesied, there was a sound, and behold,(L) a rattling,[c] and the bones came together, bone to its bone. 8And I looked, and behold, there were sinews on them, and flesh had come upon them, and skin had covered them. But(M) there was no breath in them. 9Then he said to me,(N) "Prophesy to the breath; prophesy,(O) son of man, and say to the breath, Thus says the Lord GOD: Come from(P) the four winds, O breath, and breathe on these slain, that they may live." 10So I prophesied(Q) as he commanded me, and(R) the breath came into them, and they lived and stood on their feet, an exceedingly great army.

11Then he said to me,(S) "Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel. Behold, they say, 'Our bones are dried up, and(T) our hope is lost;(U) we are indeed cut off.' 12Therefore(V) prophesy, and say to them, Thus says the Lord GOD: Behold,(W) I will open your graves and raise you from your graves, O my people. And(X) I will bring you into the land of Israel. 13And(Y) you shall know that I am the LORD, when I open your graves, and raise you from your graves, O my people. 14And(Z) I will put my Spirit within you, and you shall live, and I will place you in your own land. Then you shall know that I am the LORD;(AA) I have spoken, and I will do it, declares the LORD."

Answer 7

Jew-ISH(kenazi)? I've seen ashkeNAZI and zio-n**i, usually by people claiming to be against racism, but this is the first time I've seen Jew-ISH(kenazi). I'm disappointed. That just seems overall less creative.

Oh, and you're absolutely right. Zionism didn't begin until after the Holocaust, the Balfour Declaration was issued in the 80s, and no Jew had ever stepped foot in the Holy Land prior to 48.

Answer 8

One can read almost anything into the bible, and therein lies the problem.

Answer 9

A lot of good questions and statements.

Claims of ersatz israel's "right" to exist are purely emotional drivel. There is no substantive, legal or moral reason.

Based on immigration, emigration and population growth figures; ersatz israel will collapse in as little as 10 years.  I am sitting back here waiting to see what the fake jews of israel will make of it.  If a country, promised to them by their god, is wiped off the map 70 years later, what conclusions will they make about their assumed religion?

"why is it (ersatz israel) plagued by such violence?"

Great question. I believe that there are some zionist  "rabbis" around.  I wonder what they have to say.

Violence can only ever be justified in one, and one only situation. That is self defense; and why Hamas can never be considered illegal.

Answer 10

If you ever read the OT you would know the answer but you are deliberately asking a mean, vicious question to incite the Jews.  

My answer: Holocaust was not in the OT.  

you say "If Israel has been chosen by G-d" was it written or not?  WAS IT?  YES why do you ask?  Do you doubt the Word of God?  Then there is no need for discussion.  

You are setting up straw men to just knock them down.  

Have fun and btw, watch out for the hay!  

Just 1:

"How is the violence done to Palestinians justifiable?"  Are you mad?  What is this? a ONE SIDED affair??  Those poor wittle Paleys have done a lot of bloody damage, do you live in this world?  You need to take off your blinders.  Get a grip man!

Answer 11

thanks for the question, you obviously have a lot to learn about the subject, and i'm glad you're aware of that.

israel was being created long before ww2. israel was the ancient homeland of the jewish people, and when nationalist movements started as early as the 1800's, there were plans to restore the state of israel. when england won ww1 (not ww2), they took over the region from the ottomans and promised to reestablish the jewish state.

"Most of the claims that I hear about Israel's right to exist as a state have to do with events dating far before the modern era. "

i don't know what you're counting as the modern era, but israel is older than many countries, as it's as old as all the other states in the region.

all of the middle east was part of the ottoman empire until ww1. after that, the states of iraq, iran, lebanon, syria, israel, jordan were all created.

don't worry about g-d or the bible. israel is a civic state like any other on the planet. parts of it are holy and parts of it are secular, like india, like any country. and it has enemies, like any country. let's not blame the victim here.

"How does this rest with the belief that Israel (in its current state) is the way to go? "

israel exists, it's not going anywhere. there's no debate or belief about the way to go. israel simply is. no one talks about disbanding france or the US if they have problems. don't start that nonsense with israel.

"How is the violence done to Palestinians justifiable"

the palestinians have declared war on israel. it sucks but israel has the right to defend itself. the palestinians elected hamas, and hamas has declared war on israel. as soon as hamas wants to end their quest to destroy israel, we can all have peace. israel is not perpetuating this war. israel left gaza and the pals continued their war. so what do you want israel to do, lie down and let themselves be destroyed. no way, jose.

"The Palestinians operated no death camps. Yet, this is why you are in their country. Explain."

we're not in their country. there is no country of palestine. there never was. there was a REGION (which was populated by jews and arabs, there were always jews living there), and that region was split into 2 countries, jordan and israel. jordan is palestinian and no jews are allowed to live there. until 67, all palestinians had jordanian (or egyptian) citizenship. then after that, their countries abandoned them, but that has nothing to do with israel.

in israel, by the way, arabs and muslims are allowed to live and practice. in jewish palestine, now called israel, all people are free. in arab palestine, no jews are allowed to live and practice their religion..

it's all about the arabs' unwillingness to have jewish neighbors. and that's a shame, but they're not going to drive us out.

again, thanks for asking. and you should check where you're getting your information. anyone who says that we are in their land is terribly misinformed.

Answer 12

Your wording is highly offensive but I am going to overlook that and give you a chance. Sure, I can explain:

an·ti-Sem·i·tism –noun

discrimination against or prejudice or hostility toward Jews.

In short, Israel is there where G-d promised her to be but this movement of people is still not complete. Israel includes Ashkenazim, Sephardim, and Mizrahim by the way. Not only is the movement not complete, the world is also not complete, it is very much violent, not just the violence you see in Israel, but violence is world wide.

Israel are a people that represent the giving of Torah at Sinai and Sinai is a play on words:

"the source of anti-Semitism using a... sinah ... play on words: The Torah – the source of the Jewish system of laws, values and moral standards – was received at Mount Sinai. The Hebrew pronunciation of "Sinai" is almost identical to the Hebrew word for "hatred" – sinah."

Some people try to fight G-d's will they have done it for millenium and Israel survived these attacks.  Just because the Jewish people inhabit our homeland does not take away the fact that the world is still faulty and full of hatred.

For millenium Jewish people have not been free to speak, when they did so they were murdered.  Now Israel is so strong she can defend herself and the diaspora.  So listen.

People are not doing atrocity against the Palestinians this is your perception of things from limited knowledge.  Just trust Israel no matter what happens it will all work out.  It can be scary sometimes for some people but people that believe in One G-d should already have the knowledge on how to deal with that.

Try to perfect the world by doing random acts of kindness to people instead of pinning and blaming everything on the Jews.

Answer 13

My friend you see what everyone around the world sees on that land where the Jews call Israel.

I believe too that this was the biggest mistake the Jews have ever made in their short history on Earth (compared to the Egyptians, the Greeks, the Chinese, the Assyrians, the Romans e.t.c.).

They act as if the Arabs (or the Muslims) are some ...thousands of people.

They can't see that they ARE MILLIONS OF THEM!

Don't they understand the danger?

The Americans are getting fed up with their little games in Washington DC.

We the Europeans do not want a part in this since 1948.

I have never thought that fanaticism can blind so many people for such a long time.

It's just amazing watching a nation self-destruct in such a silly way.

Truly Amazing!

Answer 14

While i appreciate your compassion to wards poor Palestinians who always been the victims of ''Hellish Zionists'' since the day they opened their arms and let those people in BUT got their land stolen instead!!! Over and Over and...........

All i know is that, Zionists are full of hot air with their constant '''mambo jumbo'''.

It's all gotten beyond ridiculous with their exaggerated version of this and that!!

There're couple of brainwashed women among the posters that prove the point!!

How is it been done?

Feed you all these habra jabadra!! in your childhood, also in your sleep?!!!........sheeeesh......Jesuse!

Lets one of their own tells you:

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/israel....