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What effects will hydrogen fuel cells have on the enviroment?

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It is widely believed that an atmospheric increase in the greenhouse gases CO2 has played a significant role in global warming. Even now, CO2 accounts for less than 1/3 of greenhouse gases. Water vapor, on the other hand, accounts for approximately 70% of all greenhouse gases.

The byproduct of hydrogen fuel cells is water vapor. Let's pretend that every vehicle in America is powered by hydrogen say 10 years from now. That's a lot of water vapor! What effect would it have?

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  1. Water vapor does not cause global warming.  The atmospheric concentration of water vapor is dependent on the atmospheric temperature.  Thus water vapor acts as a feedback, but will not initiate warming.  We can emit as much water vapor as we want and have no impact whatsoever on global warming.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_...

    However, because most of our hydrogen comes from fossil fuels, it has a similar impact on the environment as gasoline.  See link below.


  2. In the realm of accepted science, you really have lost your mind! Your question of future environmental proclivity ,and the detriments of such a situation, are the fodder of short-sighted visionaries. Real visionaries of this age, have only a brief moment to contemplate the future! Be it a minute or an hour-that is all we have!

  3. Water vapour pretty much isn't an issue. When there's too much of it in the atmosphere, it rains.

    If you're getting your hydrogen through electrolysis, you'll have no net effect on the amount of water available to the air. If you're getting it through hydrocarbons, you're probably adding more hydrogen to the free oxygen in the air.

    I'd be more worried about unlocking all that hydrogen and depleting the oxygen in our air, to be honest.

  4. it may have some...but mark my words someone will get rich from using some new global warming/cooling scare tactics about it just like al gore

  5. let me start off by saying Hydrogen is a great option for the concept of free energy.     I built my first hydrogen cell about 5 years ago. Have converted over 50 vehicles in the last 10 years (gydrogen and EV) and now currently run 2 trucks (and another EV), my home hot water heater, home stove and home generator on hydrogen for free with caught rain water and the help of a $10 solar panel.  I offer a step by step DIY guide to walk anyone interested threw the process. You can find it at www agua-luna com or you can email me.

    There are basically 3 safe ways to make and use it... chemically, electrically and molecularly, the first 2 being easier so I'll only discuss them here. The fallowing steps were taking directly out of a DIY guide I offer to those who would like to run their vehicles or home on hydrogen safely. The entire guide is available at www agua-luna com

        On demand h2 generators are a bit different from the Hollywood versions like seen Chain Reaction with Keanu Reeves, that tend to explode violently every time a film is being made. However when used in an on-demand system there is no storage of hydrogen and oxygen in its gas form, only liquid (water) and is only transformed into gas “on-demand” in small cylinder size amounts. It’s actually safer then gasoline as it doesn’t evaporate, creating explosive fumes in the tank like gas. the following were actually taken out of my $5 guide available at www agua-luna com

        Chemically

        1. You’ll need a 6inch x 1ft schedule 40 pvc pipe. With pvc cement glue a cap on the bottom and use a s***w on cap for the top. Drill a small hole (1/4inch or so) in the side close to the top, s******g in a small copper shut off valve. Place a few feet of stranded (food grade is good) flex hose to the valve and into the air intake of your engine (carburetor or fuel injections).

        2. Now crunch up a couple aluminum cans (beer cans, soda cans etc) and drop them into the pvc pipe, along with a couple cups of lye (Red Devil drain opener has lye in it, some Clorox and Drano’s do to).

        3. Then simply add water, s***w on the top and wait a few minutes.

        What happens in simplicity is that aluminum and lye don’t really get along so they battle, and as always the innocent civilians (water H2O) that the most casualties, by giving up its hydrogen and oxygen. This then builds up in the void of the pipe and is ready to be vented into your engine, by opening the valve. You may need to start your engine on gas then switch it off after the hydrogen starts burning.

        Electrical is a bit easier then Chemically.

        1. Simply take a small solar panel 1.5 amps is what I use ($9 at harborfreight.com), connect the 2 wires from the panel +- to 2 conductors (carbon cores of batteries work well, just be careful removing it from the jacket), but any conductive material will work ie. Copper, aluminum, steel, etc.

        2. Drop the wires into a water tank (I use 55gal drums), make sure they don’t touch each other.

        3. Drill a small hole (1/4inch or so) in the side close to the top, s******g in a small copper shut off valve. Place a few feet of stranded (food grade is good) flex hose to the valve and into the air intake of your engine (carburetor or fuel injections).

        4. Then simply add water, s***w on the top cap and wait.

        After a few hours tiny bubbles will form and rise off one conductor (that’s hydrogen) and even smaller bubbles that just looks like foam will rise off the other (oxygen). I don’t remember which likes the positive and which likes the neg hydrogen or the oxygen.

        The third method is more complicated and is what I use for my vehicles. It’s just a modified Joe’s Cell, there’s a step by step DIY guide available to walk you threw the process here www agua-luna com

    It also covers the other 2 methods described in more detail.

    www agua-luna com

    Hope this helped, feel free to contact me personally if you have any questions if you’d like assistance in making your first self sufficient steps, I’m willing to walk you step by step threw the process. I’ve written several how-to DIY guides available at  www agua-luna com on the subject. I also offer online and on-site workshops, seminars and internships to help others help the environment.

    Dan Martin

    Alterative Energy / Sustainable Consultant, Living 100% on Alternative & Author of How One Simple Yet Incredibly Powerful Resource Is Transforming The Lives of Regular People From All Over The World... Instantly Elevating Their Income & Lowering Their Debt, While Saving The Environment by Using FREE ENERGY... All With Just One Click of A Mouse...For more info Visit:  

    www AGUA-LUNA com

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  6. I'm sure someone will try to find a link between using hydrogen and some scare.  Driving a hydro-car causes cancer.  The exhaust is causing some (alleged) weird weather pattern.  Or some other nonsense but if we pay an extra tax, none of that matters!

    We may even experience something blamed on "hydro-carbons."

  7. The effect would be another Gore movie and book.........

    "The Soggy Truth".

  8. Quite feasibly, it could alter certain ecosystems. Too much water vapor down near Austin TX (for example) could lead to more rain/heavier rains and flooding!

    Of course, I don't think that we will create that much vapor, so it's a stretch.

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