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What evidence do you evolutionists have for added information to the gene pool?

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Because ,frankly, I haven't found one yet.

The only evidence I found is for adaptation, not evolution.

The so-called mutations that produce evolution are absent. The information is already there in the chromosomes. Some people are better adapted to the environment because some genes are exaggerated and others deactivated. It's like saying that a car with 5 gears works on only 3 gears even if the car has all the gears in place and 2 of them are never used. God created us with incredible capacity to adapt to all sorts of conditions. If we lived eternal lives we could adapt through our lifetime . For example I could change the color of my skin if I lived in a sunny country.

But, why don't you guys recognize the truth? There is no new added information to the gene pool and no new species. Animals only produce variations in their kind. The rest is religion. I'm not attacking your religious beliefs, but you must know that evolution as you present it is a religion and you present it with religious zeal.

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  1. Assertion: Mutations are never beneficial

    http://www.vuletic.com/hume/cefec/4-10b....

    Examples of Beneficial Mutations and Natural Selection

    http://www.gate.net/~rwms/EvoMutations.h...

    Beneficial Mutations

    http://skepticwiki.org/index.php/Benefic...

    Examples of Beneficial Mutations in Humans

    http://www.gate.net/~rwms/EvoHumBenMutat...

    Evolution and Information: The Nylon Bug

    http://www.nmsr.org/nylon.htm

    Contribution of individual random mutations to genotype-by-environment interactions in Escherichia coli

    http://www.pnas.org/content/98/20/11388....

    The fate of competing beneficial mutations in an asexual population

    http://myxo.css.msu.edu/lenski/pdf/1998,...

    K. Ishii, H. Matsuda, Y. Iwasa and A. Sasaki. 1989. Evolutionarily Stable Mutation Rate in a Periodically Changing Environment. Genetics, Vol 121, 163-174

    http://www.genetics.org/cgi/content/abst...

    Fruitless Facts about Four Winged Fruit Flies and Evolution

    http://www.cbs.dtu.dk/staff/dave/FourWin...

    The Distribution of Fitness Effects Among Beneficial Mutations

    http://www.genetics.org/cgi/content/abst...


  2. Yanno, you're right. I'm convinced.

    We all came from Adam and Eve. You are completely correct.

    Why, oh WHY did I not see that before?!

  3. Micro-evolution (mutating viruses, etc) is a fact of life. Macro-evolution (dinosaurs becoming chickens and monkeys into men) has not been observed nor is it possible in nature. With man's tinkering (gene splicing, cloning, stem cell research, etc.) we might come up with new species. (As if we need more).

  4. You are talking science to people who claim to rely on it but actually ignore it. However, they then turn around and call us religious nuts who don't know anything about science.  

  5. Wow!  You're really stupid. I bet that you'd be willing to agree that mutations happen.  I'd even bet that you'd agree that duplications happen.  It might not be too far fetched then for you to see that a duplication can mutate and become new genetic information.  This is just one of the many ways that information can be added.

    The bottom line is this: Evolution happens.  It happens any time you have random variation, self-replication, and selective pressure.  It's an inevitable event.  Also, common ancestry is an established fact.  What you seem to do in the face of these facts is simply stick your fingers in your ears and repeat over and over again "Evolution can't be true. Evolution can't be true. Evolution can't be true......".  

  6. As I understand it, a common mutation in genes, or sections of genes, is duplication. A whole segment can be copied twice.

    That's new information, because then each of the two sections are separately subject to mutation.

    Duplications are necessarily rare but have been observed in medicine.

  7. if god made us adaptable does that prove he didnt know what he was doing and he didnt know what humanity had in store for the future or maybe adapting to the environment IS evolution

  8. It is hard to understand how anyone could make this claim, since anything mutations can do, mutations can undo. Some mutations add information to a genome; some subtract it. Creationists get by with this claim only by leaving the term "information" undefined, impossibly vague, or constantly shifting. By any reasonable definition, increases in information have been observed to evolve. We have observed the evolution of:

        *  increased genetic variety in a population (Lenski 1995; Lenski et al. 1991)

        * increased genetic material (Alves et al. 2001; Brown et al. 1998; Hughes and Friedman 2003; Lynch and Conery 2000; Ohta 2003)

        * novel genetic material (Knox et al. 1996; Park et al. 1996)

        * novel genetically-regulated abilities (Prijambada et al. 1995)

  9. I totally agree with you and your point is well made, as reading the question it came to mind that there is no reality of the light of truth, something scripture clearly shares regarding unbelief, it is the most grievous of sins. Our faith is completely justified in the Truth of our Creator and there in, lay the issue.

    It takes more faith to attempt to believe mans religion of evolution (an attempt to dismiss God), than it does to have faith and trust in the Living Word of God.

    Truth is Light and the darkness tries to hide from the light because it cannot overcome it.

    It is a spiritual matter that is cloaked with a distraction of scientific approach which say's "I will believe with what little I see with my eye's,  and claim faith, in my own unseen theory's, to explain away the rest of creation."

    Evolution will never feed the thirsty heart, soul, and spirit of man because of the Person who created us, did so in His image, and the Spirit of Truth verifies this through His Love.

    The knowledge used for the fight of evolution is only usable to speak of that which is seen through physical eyes of man. It is utterly helpless, to speak of anything else that exists dealing with the issues of man's soul and heart because it is spirit and not seen with the physical eye.

    That which it does speak to is falsehood and becomes a man made religion in theory.

    There simply is no evidence for evolution beyond that which you so simply stated to be addressed.

    It is no more and no less than the accepting or rejecting of God and faith in His Word. For those who recieve the Spirit of Truth know it beyond doubt as the nose on their faces, but for those who reject having faith in Him, still have their eyes veiled and cannot comprehend beyond the natural. Spiritual things are spiritually discerned.

    The life changing Love of God and eye opening Truth of our value, placed on us by God, will never be quenched by any theory.

  10. "The so-called mutations that produce evolution are absent."

    How do you explain the higher percentage of babies that are born smaller or with defects when their mother do drugs or smoke when pregnant?

    Different chemicals and foods consumed during pregnancy is one of many different forms and ways genetic or developmental mutation can occur, however minute or large these mutations of defects may be.

  11. Adaptation and evolution are the same thing.  The rest of your rant is so wrong, I don't know where to begin demolishing it.

    You might want to try reading some actual science textbooks.  And peer-reviewed journals.

  12. You are suffering from the god delusion.  

  13. When humans start living for millions of years which is the amount of time this process takes you'll have your proof. Until then I'll just be content with observable scientific proof that evolution takes place on a smaller scale. And the fact that there are dinosaur bones in the rocks.

  14. Evolution is not a religion. Period.

  15. "Why don't you guys recognize the truth?"

    We do.  You're the one who's deluded.

    There is no such thing as an "evolutionist."


  16. If your god made us "adaptable", why didn't we adapt to the larger brain we now possess?  Why do you suppose our wisdom teeth don't fit?  It's because the brain grew quicker than the jaw, which caused the teeth which used to fit to become crowded.  Our distance ancestors had SMALLER brains which evolved into LARGER brains.  There is no other explanation for wisdom teeth... unless you think your god just put them there for s***s&giggles.

  17. Our species doesn't evolve any further because we aren't isolated or under extreme conditions that require change; just because you haven't seen any evidence doesn't mean it doesn't exist.  See 'God' for further support of this.  i.e. You don't have to see it for it to be real.

    koff koff.

    Apetheist.

  18. You are completely wrong in your assumption that because people believe in evolution, as indeed most of the world does, means that it is a religion.

    Most people believe that vanilla is the best flavour of ice cream, I guess you will be calling us vanilla ice creamists now and calling it a religion. There is no such word in the English language as `evolutionist` that is just a word that a group of people have made up to use as a weapon of derision against those of us that live in the real world.

    It is a common mistake amongst certain parts of the world`s population that they have become so deeply indoctrinated into particular religious cults that they cannot imagine that most of us have no religion at all.

    We prefer to life a life based on truth and fact and go on the evidence that is presented to us by our highly intelligent and massively qualified scientists, physicists and doctors.

    Evolution is a fact.

    Religion is by definition a myth.

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