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What five men beat mohamed alli?in boxing?

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  1. Joe Frazier in 1971

    Ken Norton in 1973

    Leon Spinks in 1978

    Larry Holmes in 1980

    Trevor Berbick in 1981


  2. Thumbs up to Glactus, well said sir.

  3. Trevor Berbick

    Larry Holmes

    Leon Spinks

    Ken Norton

    Joe Frazier

  4. The US government was the first.  I wont go into all the things they did to ALi,  I would need a book for that.  ITs really dirty and degrading.  That's why Ali is so well loved.  Anyone else would sure have shot someone for less.

    Ali was near unbeatable before his forced exile.  His losses to Frazier and Norton would never have happened if not for those 4 plus years that were unfairly taken from him.  

    The Frazier fight would have happened in late 69 as planned,  not 71.  Ali was just beginning to settle on his punches.  While not losing any speed,  he was beginning to hit a bit harder.  He would not have been the puncher Frazier was.  However,  he would have made Frazier look a bit more ordinary had they fought in 69,  as planned.

    We will never know how great ALi could have been.  He was still growing when he was forced into exile.  Anyone who knows atheletes knows that a man,  esp. a big man,  is not as strong at 25 as he is at 35.  What would ALi have been like at 30 had he NOT been exiled.

    Norton would not have fought a rusty Ali.  He would have fought a sharp and focused ALi.  Ali would have stopped both Frazier and Norton had he never been exiled.  Both take too much punishment and ALi would have been more accurate and punched a bit harder.

    Because of the time off,  Ali developed bersitis in both hands.  It was very painful to land punches.   Most people dont know this.  That's why he became more of an arm puncher than a power puncher.  

    The Spinks, Holmes and Berbick fights might never have even happened.  Ali might very well have retired long before that time.  I could see him losing his last fight to a young Larry Holmes, If he fought long enough, espically with what Larry learned from him.  

    Larry reached a point where he needed to branch out on his own.  He couldnt be Ali's sparring partner forever.  Some fighters are just that good enough to do that.  You'd be surprised at some of the great fighters who were once sparring partners to more popular fighters.  

    Arron Pryor was once Howard Davis' and Sugar Ray Leonard's sparring partner.  He was fired for repeatedly kicking Davis' @$$ in the ring.  The Leonard camp no longer had need of his ''services'' either.  Word got out and Pryor could hardly get fights.  And he was a LIGHTWEIGHT.

    Holmes-Ali would have happened no earlier than 1977.  Holmes would have been 27 or 28 (His BD is in Nov).  Ali would have been 35.  A fighter first loses the things that made ALi great to begin with.    Speed, Balance (something no heavyweight had like Ali),  Timing.  All those things go first.  Power and Endurance go last.  That's why George Forman was able to fight at such an advanced age.  He had PLENTY of both.

    Ali might very well have gone undefeated had it not been for the exile.  He would have beaten George Forman but in a different way.  There would be no "rope-a-dope".  There would also not have been 3 fights each with Frazier and Norton.  There would be 2 each and Ali would have beaten both of them each time.

    But I could see a Holmes upset.  By 35, even without the exile,  Ali would still have been on the decline, assuming he would even be fighting at that age.  He had so much to prove to himself during his comeback and he found the division to be full of great new talent that wasnt there when he left the first time.   Ali was the only one who was KING of Two completely different eras.

    If he fought Holmes earlier than 77 he would win but the fight wouldnt be so exciting because Ali would do more of stopping Larry from doing what he does best,  than doing what HE does best.  You would see a lot of clinching.

    By 77 or 78,  Holmes was strong.  He wasnt yet in his prime but he was still strong and active enough to trouble a post prime Ali. Holmes possesses the BEST jab in division history.  Ali's was always faster but Holmes made better use of it.  He had the perfect blend of ''geometry''.  He had the perfect blend of speed and power.  Holmes could knock you back with the jab.  Liston did it too but he was much slower than Holmes.  

    (Ironically,  in the real world,  Holmes was at his Peak DURING his real fight with Ali in 1980.  He was in top form because he didnt know what to expect from his biggest threat).

    I dont see Holmes-Ali happening before 77.  Holmes would not have been near ready.  The likely senerio would be that Ali would already have retired.  The latest That fight would happen would be 78.  Losing his timing by that time,  Ali would have come up short to a young Larry Holmes who, by that time,  would not be so troubled by Ali's speed.

    Holmes by close decision in 15

    Now if both are in their prime,  Holmes in 1890 and ALi anytime before the first Frazier fight,  the story is totally different.  

    Ali before the exile wins a clear decision  11-4

    Ali who fought Frazier wins a clear decision as well but closer 9-6 in rounds.

  5. 1971 - Joe Frazier by decision

    1973 - Ken Norton by decision

    1978 - Leon Spinks by decision

    1980 - Larry Holmes by KO

    1981 - Trevor Berbick by decision

  6. Joe Frazier

    Ken Norton

    Leon Spinks

    Larry Holmes

    Trevor Berbick

    All points defeats apart from the TKO loss to Larry Holmes in 1980

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