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What is the back ground histories behind war between Israel and Palestina ?

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  1. From the beginning of time: The Lord told the Isrealites to go and conquer the land; not to leave anyone from the land; but did they listened; No they left some of them alive and started mixing and cross-breeding hence the fight still goes on today.(that's what happenned when you don't listen to the Maker of Heaven and Earth!)


  2. What Reid said, with one critical addenda.

    The British had promised Palestine to the Arabs AND the Israelis, then reneged on the promise to the Arabs.

    The trouble is that both sides can show a valid claim to the land over the past several thousand years.

    And neither side is interested in peace, despite what they say.

  3. The issues are always blamed on centuries of old conflict but the real problem is actually quite recent. This is the short answer. For the sake of brevity when I mention the Arabs please note that I’m including by reference the Egyptians and other North Africans.

    Jews and Muslim lived in the region side by side since the days of the Islamic Crusades which brought Muslims to power in an empire that encompassed Southern/Eastern Europe, South Asia, the Near East and Northern/Central Africa. Jews and Christians were forced to convert however under the more moderate caliphate were allowed to retain their faiths provided they accepted their status as second-class citizens subservient to Muslims. The moderate caliphate also allowed free access to Jerusalem to members of all faiths. A change in the status of Jerusalem lead to the Christian crusades. The Christian crusades succeeded in completed changing the balance of powers of Christians and Muslim with Muslims relegated to a position of subservience. When the Ottoman Empire rose it succeeded in once again establishing Muslim supremacy and domination of the region but Jews continued to reside there under Ottoman authority. The region was known as Palestine however it was never a nation. There was no culture known as Palestinian and the nomadic Muslim tribes that roamed therein certainly did not see themselves united under a single national identity. There is and was no such thing as Palestinian culture. And the ruling Turks avoided any unnecessary contact with the nomads.

    Turkey joined forces with the Prussian Empire in WWI leading to her loss of the entire Empire to the British and French. The British took over the larger portion of former Ottoman territory which included Mesopotamia (currently Iraq) and Palestine (currently Israel and Palestine). After the Bolshevik revolution the Soviets took up the cause of national sovereignty sweeping the region and this included the Zionist movement. Jews (not Muslims) were agitating for a restoration of their homeland destroyed by the Roman conquest in the first century CE. The Soviets took up the struggle not because they favored Zionism or “national sovereignty”, but because the movement, if successful, would end British control of the region. To the Soviets, Eastern Europe, Africa, Asia and the Middle East were their own spheres of influence.  When the Jews and Muslims fought the British in a war of terror to end British occupation the cause of the Palestinians was taken up not by the nomads of Palestine, but by the Egyptians, Saudis, Jordanians and Syrians.  The British eventually withdrew from the region turning it over to the UN. Muslims who had held a dominant social status over Jews for centuries would likely have been amenable to an autonomous Jewish sector under Muslim authority but an independent Jewish state with authority over Muslims living therein was an indignity they were not prepared to suffer. When this was declared in 1948 the Muslims vowed to destroy Israel completely. They lost the battle even with Soviet assistance. Note that Palestine was divided by UN mandate into two separate states. Only the Jews accepted the plan.

    In 1967 the Arabs lost yet another war of annihilation (Six-Day War) again with Soviet assistance. This time Israel gained control over Egyptian territory, Syrian territory and the regions of Muslim Palestine. This resulted in a drastic change in the balance of power and was a grave insult to the dignity of the Arabs. The Soviets were also embarrassed as the socialist Arab states all trained and equipped with advanced weaponry by the Soviets proved incapable of destroying this small nation equipped only with surplus WWII weapons from the US and UK and not much of it at that.

    In 1973 the Arabs lost another battle (Yom Kippur War) with Israel. This time the Arabs had more training and weaponry than they had in the lead up to the 1967 conflict. The Arabs had reason to believe that they would be successful this time as the Soviets continued to flood them with advanced weaponry while the US and UK held to their end of a deal which limited the amount and kinds of weapons Israel was to be sold. Typical Neville Chamberlain syndrome of the West.

    The US managed to get Egypt and Israel to resolve their differences and ultimately managed to get both Israel and Jordan to enter a binding peace agreement with Israel together with full diplomatic recognition. Before this, the only Middle Eastern nation that had diplomatic and trade relations with Israel was Iran (until the Islamic Revolution in 1979). For the record, Turkey had the same relationship with Israel but Turkey is not a Middle Eastern nation.

    This conflict is always presented as a battle of religious affiliation however it was actually a struggle over competing world-views, one that looked towards the Liberalism (classical Liberalism that is) and Democratic Socialism of the West (Israel) and the other towards the Authoritarian Socialism of the East (Arabs). The Arab-Israeli conflict cannot therefore be honestly presented unless one gives adequate attention to the underlying conflict between East and West and the philosophical ideas that created that struggle.

  4. Basically the UN split up the the Area in 1947 giving half the land to the Israelis and half to the Palestinians. Basically the Palestinians didn't like this because they believed they had a right to the land and didn't want to have a Jewish state in the middle east.

    It happened because the violence and the heavy cost of World War II led Britain to turn the issue of Palestine over to the United Nations. In 1947 the UN approved the partition of the British Mandate of Palestine into two states = one Jewish and one Arab.

    The Arab league didn't like that and decided to go to war = 1948 Arab-Israeli War.

    Basically a bunch of Arab countries attempted to take over Israel, but instead Israel won and expanded its territories. The same feud exists today. It is a battle over the holy land.

    Whether or not the UN made the right decision is debateable and I won't share my own view.

    *This is a simplified answer*

  5. The war began first with terrorism and quickly followed by the first invasion of Israel in 1948 when they declared independence. On that day, the grand mufti of Jerusalem, the religious leader of the moslems and an ally of n**i Germany, ordered the moslems in Israel, which had accepted and offered part of its territory to the people who became known as palestinians, to annihilate the Jews or leave the country, like n**i Germany and modern Iran. Those who left the country were reported to the UN within months as refugees forced out by Israel, obviously false, but the UN bought it 100%. So terror attacks began against Israelis who'd been kept disarmed by the British, which did not apply this to the moslems, and than the first military invasion. Israel survived, has repeatedly saught, negotiated and kept peace treaties with her hostile neighbours and those most special professional victims and fictitious refugees, the palestinians. The PLO has never kept their parts, which were and are to first stop terrorist attacks, Israel meanwhile under no obligation has kept its parts.

  6. Excellent question:

    Wars between these 2 goes back thousands of years, but I ask you a question.  Those 2 peoples have lived in the same area all these millenia, (never intermixed)?

    Who is the Jew or the real Palestinian?

  7. read the Bible

  8. The short answer: Palestine was a country.  With encouragement from Britain, which then controlled the area, a bunch of Jews started moving there in the early part of this century with the vision of creating a Jewish state.  That process increased during World War II, and the land was officially partitioned between a Jewish state (Israel) and a Muslim one (Palestine) in 1948.  Shortly thereafter, several other Arab nations declared war on Israel.  That war essentially eliminated the Muslim state of Palestine, its territory split between Israel, Egypt, Syria, and Jordan.  This and subsequent wars led to the Palestinian people having no homeland and a permanent state of tension between an increasingly militaristic Israeli government, the disenfranchised Palestinians, and the other Muslim states in the area.

  9. I will tell you right now, you are not going to get answers based on "facts and objective analysis" about this conflict on any internet forum.

    My suggestion: Search for some college syllabi on line dealing with the Arab-Israeli conflict. Then choose some  histories to read from a varied range of authors.

    I'm sorry if this sounds like a lot of work, but the issue is very complicated. Most people who care about it are deeply committed to one side or the other and will just spout propaganda at you. You'll see.

  10. The answer to this can fill volumes and volumes of books. My suggestion is that you go to your local bookstore and pick up some history books on the subject and while you are at it you might want to visit the religion and political section as well.

  11. Can be traced all the way back to tribal feuds at the time of the crusades but these are weak links

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