What is the relationship between bad beats and making outs to winning?

Question

Last night, I played a few sng's, and as usual, i got taken out on a few brutal beats. then, all of a sudden, I started making my outs, and finished top 3 in 3 in a row. on the 4th one, i was almost to the final table when I took a bad beat on higher pair vs lower pair.

So, my question is: have you ever won a tourney after taking bad beats, and have you ever won a tourney where you didn't make your outs?

Answer 1

If you take a couple bad beats and don't hit your draws, you're not going to win.  You have to hit your outs sometimes, unless you flop the nuts a lot.

Most bad beats are really bad plays.  People slowplaying bottom set when there is a possible flush or straight draw on the board, or thinking that AA or KK is invincible and not giving them up regardless of the board.  Trying to set traps when they shouldn't, and generally falling into what Mike Caro calls FPS (Fancy Play Syndrome).  

Last time I played in a card room, my sister-in-law  had bottom pair with a gutshot straight draw on the flop and had trip 6s on the turn with a possible flush and straight draw on the board.  She bet $25 into a $40 pot on the flop against a guy who was looking for reasons to call, and another $25 into a $90 pot on the turn.  The call on the flop was weak on his part, because he had a gut shot draw with 2 over cards, but the turn bet wasn't nearly large enough, so he had the correct pot odds to call even though he thought she might have caught trips.  Of course, she shouldn't have been in the hand at all because she had c**p to start, but the point is, she complained that it was a bad beat when he caught his straight, even though she knew that the draws were out there and she had a potentially vulnerable hand and didn't bet it hard.  That was NOT a bad beat, IMO.  It was a poor play.

A lot of "bad beats" I've heard about are along the same lines.

Answer 2

Yes, it usually goes both ways.

The thing about this is, when one person has a made hand and another person has a draw, the person on the draw will always beat the person with the made hand. Unless the made hand draws out to a bigger made hand. For example, if you flop top set and bet, and someone is on a straight draw or flush draw and hit it. A flush and straight beat a set. You flop a straight someone puts you all in with a flush draw, if they hit it the flush beats the straight.

And these situations come up quite often. When alot of people complain about a bad beat, its usually more of a 2 outer type hand or runner runner type of hand. Losing to a draw is not a bad beat.

Having a set or top pair with top kicker or 2 pair is a nice hand, but theres still 2 cards to go.

It is very rare to go all the way through a tournament and have enough luck on your side to win every hand. Even on your hottest day you will still lose a few hands. The more of these situations you win, the better chances you will have at winning in the end.