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What is to say about those who existed before Christ?

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I am not religious, but I would like to get an opinion from someone who is. Is it possible for them to be "saved"??

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  1. You are thinking about saved by the death on the cross, Moses who lived before Jesus is more saved than you and me, and he did not required the death on the cross. Jesus had never taught just as saved in your context of belief. So be careful of how Satan can cheat a person with empty promises, as he cheated Adam and Eve before.


  2. Yes.

    Genesis 6:9, "Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God." Did you notice that? Noah was a just and perfect man. When? In his generations. Got that? He walked with God in a different dispensation. He "believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness" (Galatians 3:6). He existed before Christ. And that's salvation before Christ.

    Job 1:1, "There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil." See that? How come he was "perfect and upright'? Of necessity, he "feared God, and eschewed evil." To each his own dispensation: "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom" (Proverbs 9:10; Psalms 111:10).

    Luke 1:5-6, " There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judea, a certain priest named Zechariah, of the course of Abijah; and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elizabeth. And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless." Notice that? They were both righteous before God. How? By walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord. The dispensation immediately before the birth of Christ: "The doers of the law shall be justified" (Romans 2:13).

    Romans 2:14-15, "For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: which show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another." Note: they are the Gentiles, which have not the law! But they will attain salvation. How? Read Matthew 25:34-40: "Come, ye belessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. Verily, I say unto you, In as much as ye have done . . ." They did by nature the things contained in the law.

    It is possible for them to be saved.

  3. Yes, they will have their chance at the second Judgment. It is set up so that absolutely no one will get left out of the opportunity to choose Christ at some point. It was not God's intention to lose any of us.

  4. A great debate. From my research i would argue yes, definately. I wont go into details here...

  5. yes and if they were good people, they were probably saved. for example. father Abraham and Moses, etc., when they died, they went to limbo. that was before Christ was crucified. when Christ ascended, He opened the gates of heaven and they were allowed to enter.

  6. Abraham believed and it was accounted to him as righteousness.  His faith hung on the phrase, "So shall thy seed be" meaning he would be the father of all nations.  That was a fore runner of the gospel message.  Many others in the old testament had the gospel presented to them by God himself through angels and Jesus.  (Jesus was a God before he left all that power to become a man.)

  7. Peace and blessings be upon you.

    Look before and after the Jesus ,everyone is responsible for the sins he do.

    And anyone who believed in the God alone as the god and make no partner for him , didn't worship an idol or a creature , he is then saved.

    who submission to the God is always what take us to the heaven.


  8. Yes. Christ died for people's sins from Adam to the ones who are yet to be born. If you go by the teachings of protestants, those who lived before Christ can not be saved since they could not accept Jesus as their personal savior. They also could not receive baptism with faith. If so, God was partial to those who lived before Jesus.

    But Apostolic Churches do understand the reality. Those who lived before Christ and after Christ, shall be saved equally by his death on cross this way. The blood of Christ shall save them if they accept him before the judgment day. They can do so even after their death. They have their will to do so and if they do it, they shall be saved. Whoever prays to God through Jesus shall be forgiven. Physical death is permitted by God in order to keep the world going. Death can not make any difference in our personality, and those who are attracted by God shall love Christ and will receive remission of sins. Those who rebel against God, can not please him even after their death, so they will not be able to receive the benefit of Christ's crucifixion.

  9. The Hebrew were under the covenant of Moses and therefore being under the law were saved.

    There is no real proof that Jesus was the son of god, so Christianity may be wrong about salvation.

    The New Testament gospels weren't written until about 40 years after the crucifixion and we don't know if the story was related accurately or not.

    Most of the rest is supposed to be written by Paul who was not a part of Jesus' ministry or one of the apostles. He doesn't show up in the literature until the Acts, therefore  his comments are second hand and not necessarily accurate either. In many places he states, 'by me, not God', so this tells me that he is trying to create religious law without God.

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