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What right do you have to dictate if g**s should marry?

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What right do you have to say that a g*y couple can't get married?

I understand that many (not all) Christians and other groups are against g**s marrying. For the most part it has to do with your religious beliefs: Many religious people see it as wrong, sinful, and an abomination against nature and God (or whichever deity they believe in).

However, many people also believe that I, as a woman, should not be allowed to wear pants, get willingly sterilized, or get piercings other than my ears. But people won't make laws against that because most people simply realize it's not their business what I do with my body and my life.

Isn't it the same with g*y couples? Shouldn't they be allowed to live as they want, even if you see them as an abomination and sinful? Isn't that their right, as human beings, to do what they want with their lives and not have interference of people of different faiths?

Even if you don't like it, it's not hurting you. So why all the hatred? Why stop them from doing what they will with their lives? Two men or two women marrying does not hurt anyone any more than me dressing in pants, sterilizing my body or getting a piercing does. All the consequences are on the person doing things-- not the people that opt not to turn away. If someone doesn't like the hoops in my ear, they can look elsewhere...if you don't like g*y marriage, similarly you can look elsewhere.

Lastly, marriage is not only a Christian institution. Christianity is about 2,000 years old, while marriage dates back over 10,000 years. Plenty of faiths that have come before and after Christians were fine with g*y marriage. So what right does anyone have to say that only straight couples can marry and act like their beliefs have a monopoly on it? Doesn't that infringe on others' religious beliefs?

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  1. These are all 'controlled variables' that people assume can be altered. What are the biggest rants out there right now?

    fatties, g**s, and Muslims

    What do these have in common, people assume these are things that can be changed, altered, and controlled.


  2. Why would homos want to enter into an institution that was made for one man and one woman?

    It sounds to me like you folks really want what we have. So, drop your choice and choose the straight and narrow! =D


  3. Many homophobic religious nuts still have the "the world revolves around me" complex. They mistakenly believe that other people's lives are their business. So when someone does something that doesn't fit their lifestyle, they will try and force him/her to stop.

  4. Understand, this is only my opinion.  I cannot and will not answer for others of my faith.

    If a homosexual couple wants to get married, then fine, let them get married.

    However, if they want to get married in a church, then that church (both in the congregational sense and in the corporate sense) has the right to say "no."

  5. God made Adam and Eve. Man and woman.

    Don't you know that God burned down a city full of g*y people in the Bible?

  6. Oh yeah?  I have a 2000 year old book written and edited by a notoriously corrupt institution that says different.

  7. I am also straight but will campagin tirelessly to ensure that g*y marriage is legal and accepted in the UK (its legal but not accepted).

    However, Christianity and Homosexuality are both lifestyles, so a desicion has to me made as to whether we appose Christians or g**s.

  8. I'm a christian but I honestly don't see ANYTHING wrong with g**s being allowed to marry eachother...aren't we supposed to treat each other equally!? We all are just humans!!! Who cares if their private parts are the same. THEY ARE PEOPLE!!!

    And for another point...g**s can't "choose" to like the gender that they like...it's in their genes. I can't stand when people say 'uhmm no its not. its their personal choice.'

    Honestly, I bet most people if they could choose would want to be with the opposite s*x so they could raise a family together...so clearly they are born with it in their DNA. Just like personality traits..they cant necessarily change who they are...thats the same with this.

    I really don't like how people find it wrong. What is so wrong with g*y marriage?!?!!?  

  9. I think g**s should be *forced* to marry - why should they not go through the same pain the rest of us do!

  10. Marriage is a social contract

    society should agree on a social contract

    social contracts should benefit society

    an abundance of homosexual relationships does not benefit society

    people often site it as a private thing... marriage is not a private thing it is both religious and legally binding.  It is very much accepted and endorsed by society.  It would be unhealthy for society to endorse marriage between two men or two women.

    This is a redefinition of marriage... and not a good one.

    This issue is NOT about whether or not two people of the same s*x can have a sexual relationship.  It is about an approval of society on this relationship by "regularizing" it.  Should society approve of this relationship?

    1 - it is against the nature of people.

    2 - it has had a harmful impact on those who create a lifestyle around the act of having "s*x" with someone of the same s*x.

    ....... domestic violence is higher, psychological issues.

    If you can't tell, I'm not a "homophobe".  But I think the lifestyle is like doing drugs. It has its appeal but is harmful in the long run and will be experimented with by COUNTLESS more kids if it continues to be considered a civil rights issue.

  11. Your question basically comes down to whether you believe in evolution or not.

    If you believe in creation, then the Earth is only about 6,000 years old, and marriage was created on the 6th day, long before there was "homosexuality". And if God created marriage, then He has a perfect right to define it. Homosexuality began as esoteric male rituals used in devil worship. Today, it's the same old thing, only now more "acceptable". But it's just as satanic now as it was then. They've only removed the "ritual" from it.

    If you believe in evolution, that we all came from animals and there's no such thing as "morality", then we should be able to act like animals all we want. If it feels good, do it, and s***w everyone else.

    What we mainly disagree with is their attempt to redefine what God has already defined. They have no right to change that.  

  12. I have no right at all.  

  13. hello....well first of all what answers would a g*y person want to hear???is there such thing as a g*y marriage??? g*y people in general want the world to accept there lifestyle as if it was put here by GOD and it was meant to be no matter what people think or say....the bible clearly says that GOD is a GOD of purpose which means he never does nothing with out a reason for doing it....one of the purposes of GOD was for man and woman to multiply and fill the earth...thats why men and women have diffrent sexual organs for the reason of pro-creation....what kind of purpose is there in same s*x marriage???for to say that GOD created same s*x marriage is to say that GOD is not sure what he is doing....that is why GOD says in the bible that same s*x marriage is not natural...paul the apostle in the new testament says in the book of romans as a result of sin from the fall of man in the beginning the nature of man is corrupt and as a result are driven to lust over same s*x attraction and those who do such things deserve death...g*y people cannot justify there actions as right because if they do then the bible is wrong and GOD is wrong and if GOD is wrong then we have no law.....

  14. Why they have the self-righteous arrogance of religious fanaticism, which gives them the right to make laws based on theology.

    You know, like Iran does.  

  15. Marriage is a Holy Union-

    There is nothing holy about being g*y. Im sorry.

  16. No individual person has the right or authority to dictate anything to another individual, as soon as we realize this we become free and free of those who attempt to oppress us.

  17. Good points.

  18. aggreed, people these days, christians especially like to think they know whats right,

    Bet you will have people saying "but christianity IS the true faith, dont you  know that, you should convert and be not g*y or else youll burn.."  honestly i believe there is no True Faith,

    you shouldnt force your system on others, although without forcing their beliefs christians wouldnt be one of the most widespead religions, Gotta give them that, The PR was well done.

  19. Amen!

    Many Christians have it in their heads that America is a "Christian nation." Those same Christians fear that allowing homosexuals to marry legally will be taking another step back in keeping America a "Christian nation," sort of like evolution did back when it first began being taught in public schools. These people claim to have the future of American in mind, but they’re too ignorant and too blinded by ancient ideas to realize that what their really aiming for is religious fascism.

  20. Amen sister....well you're not really my sister, but you get the point.

  21. Persecution complex QQ more please

    If homosexuals wanted everyone else to keep out of their business, they should have kept it their business. Instead, you see the mass protests which MAKE it everyone's business.

    The system is fine how it is. Leave it up to a vote of the people from state to state. No other state has to recognize that decision. It's fair. Don't like it? Welcome to democracy.

    I can almost guarantee that any state that votes against allowing same-s*x marriage will be criticized to no end. Yet, the same people will complain about christians forcing their beliefs on everyone. Wait..who's the hypocrite there?

    In a nutshell - A group of people didn't have something. They wanted and asked/demanded it. They don't get it everywhere and are now crying for being treated unfairly. Boo friggin hoo

  22. Before we look at g*y marriage / same s*x marriage, first we have to remember what the Bible says about homosexuality. While the Bible doesn’t address the concept of g*y or same s*x marriage, the Bible does clearly and consistently tell us that homosexual activity is a sin (Genesis 19:1-13; Leviticus 18:22; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9). God does not create a person with homosexual desires. A person becomes a homosexual because of sin (Romans 1:24-27), and ultimately because of his or her own choice. A person may be born with a greater susceptibility to homosexuality, just as people are born with a tendency to violence and other sins. That does not excuse the person choosing to sin by giving in to their sinful desires. If a person is born with a greater susceptibility to anger / rage, does that make it right for them to give into those desires? Of course not. The same is true for homosexuality.

    We also have to remember that homosexuality is just as forgivable a sin as all other sins. God’s forgiveness is just as available to a homosexual as it is to an adulterer, idol worshipper, murderer, liar, proud man, etc. God’s love and desire to save extends to homosexuals (John 3:16; Romans 5:8). God also promises the strength for victory over sin, including homosexuality, to all those who will believe in Jesus Christ for their salvation (1 Corinthians 6:11; 2 Corinthians 5:17).

    To give sanction to homosexual marriage would be to give approval to that lifestyle, which the Bible clearly and consistently condemns as sinful. I believe that Christians should stand firmly against the idea of g*y marriage / same s*x marriage. Marriage is ordained by God to be between a man and a woman (Genesis 2:21-24; Matthew 19:4-6). Homosexual marriage is a perversion of the institution of marriage and an offense to the God who created marriage. God forbids and condemns homosexuality, so He clearly is opposed to homosexual marriage. As Christians, we are to seek to share the love of God and salvation through Christ with homosexuals. We are to be loving and kind to homosexuals, while at the same time not condoning their sinful lifestyle.

    Love a born again Christian  

  23. If people of the same s*x want to get married and be horribly miserable like married people who are straight, I'm all for it.

    As a Buddhist, a Green-Libertarian, and as a proud big brother to a beautiful L*****n sister, she deserves every right to ruin her life by getting married.


  24. *drink*

  25. Your premise is an erroneous understanding of what freedom is.  Freedom is not the ability to do whatever you want.  That's licence.  Freedom is the ability to choose the good.  If we love our neighbour then it is our obligation to tell the truth in love and if we see them entering a situation that results in their death physical and eternal we must act out of compassion.  The acts in which they perverse themselves effect and affect all of society.  No one has the right to choose evil even though we have that ability.

  26. Well, first of all, the name 'Christian' may only be 2000 years old, but, the religion has been since the beginning of creation. Before we were called Christian, we were Jews. The Jews looked forward to the Messiah that would come and pay for their sins. But, when Jesus, the Messiah did come, they rejected Him. So, those Jews who did believe called themselves Christians.

    Also, the Christians believe the Bible, which many books of the Bible are older than 2000 years. Also, God has been around since the beginning. He is the one who told us what marriage is. Then, He later inspired men to write about marriage in the bible.

    Finally, it is our right to discuss may marriage. g*y marriage is an immoral thing. So, we should be allowed to speak out against immorality. Just because someone feels that it is their right to kill someone doesn't mean that they shoudl be allowed to.

    So, I will always speak out against g*y marriage because I want America to become a better country to live in, not to continually get worse.

  27. They have none whatsoever and will be silenced as they have been all over the rest of the developed world.

  28. you ARE MAKing inccorrect assumptions...marriage doesnt go back more than 6000 yrs and God designed it, not you....dont expect govt to back up something that isnt even in the dictionary....ITS BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN AND YOU ARE ranting....seek out your own sect

  29. I COMPLETELY agree with you, I just don't understand why some people just decide to oppose g*y marriage as if it would hurt their freedom. I mean come on, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that, it's between them and that's it. I think we should rather be happy for them, some g*y couples have been together forever and are still not able to get married. I think that's a shame. But what do you want, we live in a world of intolerance and religious freaks. All we can hope for is people opening their minds.

  30. I'm a Christian and g*y marriage doesn't threaten me at all.  Whether or not g*y marriage is right or wrong from a Biblical standpoint is not the issue, for me.  The issue is that these people have the same human rights as everyone else and if they want to get married, it has no effect on me at all.

  31. The Dictionary!  Name major religions before Christians that are OK with g*y Marriage! There are a few renegade Christians but not many.

    Again, read the dictionary prior to 1990 before they started to revise it!

    Proud Vet

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