What would i get if i breed my mare with this stallion.????

Question

My beautiful Appaloosa mare has been retired due to a knee injury, but she is perfect for breeding. I ride an Arab at the moment but he is rising 16 this year. I have chosen a stallion to breed with and would like some opinions as he is an Overo paint. What would you think that the color of the foal will be.?? This is her first foal. The foal will replace my Arab in 4 years, when he is semi retired. The 1st 2 photo's are of my mare and the next 3 photo's are of the stallion and the last photo is my beloved Arab. Just had to throw him in the pictures. Love him.

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Answer 1

The mare appears to be Gray, so I ran this on the site that I have put on this link. http://www.animalgenetics.us/CCalculator...

You can run this again by clicking the color calculator to the left.

This gives you the color variations and the percentage of probability of having a foal of each color. You idiots, she asked what color it would be not whether she should breed her mare or not. You don't even know what she will use for. The foal may not be a champion but would probably be a decent trail horse.

Answer 2

Has the stud ever thrown any lethal whites? I was told it was a good possibility to show up when an overo is bred to an app. I bred my overo to an app and we ended up with a beautiful colt that looked just like my stud. But you never know what you may end up with.

Answer 3

Please, please don't breed your mare just because you want another horse in a few years. The vet bills from a pregnant mare, subsequent foaling, foal care and then costs of raising said foal are going to be more than you'd spend to buy a reasonable young horse when you're ready for the next one. Also, there is no guarantee that the foal you produce will be suitable for what you want to do.

Additionally, If you have never raised a foal, it can be very tough - you're much better off to buy what you need rather than hope you can breed it and then raise it to have the exact skills and temperament you want - it is much easier to produce a foal than to raise it to be a great horse. And I unfortunately agree with the other comments about these two not being a good match conformation-wise.

Answer 4

So, an appy x paint?  I don't mean you any offense, but neither one of these horses is breeding material.  The paint is not even close, and your appy (sweet as she looks) is not much better.  A horse's very best chance at a good, safe, life with a loving home(s) are several things:  1)  being registered (your foal couldn't be),  2)  having great conformation to be able to soundly withstand whatever is asked of him throughout his life,  3)  good, solid training.  The only thing you'd be able to provide would be the third one.

To answer your question, your foal would have a hammer head, a weak topline, a too-sloped croup, a chest with poor definition, a cresty neck, narrow-chested, narrow-barreled, a thick throatlatch,...well, that is if he inherits the bad qualities of his parents (and there is NO guarantee that he will or won't!)  That is why, when breeding, you MUST use the best of the top picks conformation- and bloodlines-wise.

Sorry, but we do not need any more mediocre colored horses.  I know you have no intentions whatsoever of selling the foal you produce, but no one has a crystal ball and who knows what circumstances might force you to have to part with him/her someday?  Hope I didn't sound too rude, but I had to say what I said.

EDIT:  Oh wait, hold on, watch as I magically reverse the thumbs-downing trolls' opinions of me and anyone else that said "Don't breed these two":

*ahem*  My amended answer is... "OOOOO it will be sooo pretty, I think you SHOULD breed bc you love your mare and you want to have a part of her aaaalways, and that is AOK bc those people who are all about conformation and 'good' lines are just SNOBS, that's what, they are SNOBS and they don't like any horse that isn't an expensive show horse!"

There, does that make the thumbs down reverse itself?

I had NO idea the truth was so painful!  LOL

Answer 5

If you bred those horses, you would get a horse with a bad conformation.

Answer 6

The stud looks pretty drab.. and since they are both stocky and downhill, that foal wont be anything pretty.

Find a nice-moving thoroughbred or something that has good movement and is taller/thinner.

The stud looks too stocky.

You can find an overo paint with nice movement and 16hh+.. you're better off that way!

Examples:

This is a gorgeous horse, amazing breeding quality. I'd pick him:

http://www.equine.com/stallions-at-stud/...

Answer 7

First you need to know that your arab can easily go another 10 to 15 years, maybe more.  Arabs age a little slower than most.  About 8 or 9 years ago a half arab won a national endurance race of 50 miles.  He was still going strong.  In fact your arab may not be happy about being replaced at 20.  My 20 year old isn't ridden often because she is not gaited and we ride gaited on trails.  But the one time I do ride her is for an annual cattle drive.  She still runs the quarter horses on the drive into the ground.  And when we are finished she still has energy to burn.

OK now to breeding.  I like the looks of our mare.  The stallions  coup and whithers are level, shoulder good, neck good.  Typical older QH type with a little of the newer mixed in.  But I do not like the way he is standing in the first photo.  I wish that in either the first or last he was standing square.  This leaves me a little...well uneasy is too strong a word...lets say I would want to look in person before deciding.

As for color his color is a minimal expression sabino on chestnut.  The foals color would depend on the genetics of the mare.  She has a black base but is she EE or Ee?  Possibilities in color are black or chestnut base with or without sabino, most likely with apaloosa pattern.  Outside chance of having an agouti gene which will not show up on chestnut but may turn the black base to bay.

And yes I agree that the sud is not great, just good.  I probably would look elsewhere too.  In today's market a really good stud should be obtained for under $200.  Folks the stud is old stock horse variety.  He is not the new style quarters.  So no he will not have the pretty dainty look with the high whithers modern QH's have.  I would call him good but not good enough to breed unless the quality in the area is really low or the person breeding is wanting a ranch horse to work cattle.  In this case what is wanted is a trail horse for riding not for sale, so he is acceptable if nothing else can be found which suits.

Answer 8

i looked at all photos.  sorry, but i didn't like the stallion for more reasons than his colour which looked more solid than overo.

why not use an ARAB?   you like the breed very much and the resulting foal would be more suitable to replace your present arab.  

the black arab stallion.     good luck.

Answer 9

an ugly horse.

or one more for the slaughter houses. . . depends on how you look at it.  i was trying to be postive with that ugly horse comment but mostlikely in 10 years the baby will be on a meat truck off to mexico to be food for some european who just LOVES to eat horse.

edit: i only looked at one picture and you really dont want to know how many things i found wrong in just the one picture.

Answer 10

Your kids look wonderful...but that stud looks awful. If I were you, I'd shop around some more. Just my opinion.

Answer 11

if you have any other horses then those to breed another stallion with the mare instead of that one.

Answer 12

First off, your Arab is very beautiful i love gray horses they are so beautiful

The mare is also beautiful, the big build is really nice and her color adorable but the stallion umm he is not all that great

he doesnt look like he is well taken care of, he seems to have a good temperment though since he is around that leopard app horse behind him

if you are aiming for a brighter foal with a prettier build and more spots, i would try to find a stallion that has a better conformation and more color to him  

try this::

http://horsetopia.horse-for-sale.org/buy...

Answer 13

I would try and find a nicer Stud to be perfectly honest he's alright but nothing special, if bloodlines aren't your thing and you don't mind having a foal that's father isn't the best specimin then go ahead but looking at him I'm pretty sure there are better quality stallions to suit your girly. Please be fussy as you love your horses so much I'm sure you will be! Good luck

Answer 14

No way to tell what will be thrown. But if it is a papered Overo the mor than likley will be Overo maybe with some patches, who knows

Answer 15

You have a 50% chance of spots with your appy.   It looks like your appy is also gray as a base color but it's hard to tell, so you have a 50% chance of gray too.  You don't know what color she is under the gray (thats assuming she is gray.  Gray is a masking gene, it hides the underlying color) but that will also determine what you will get.  

The paint is not heavily marked but you should get some chrome.  

Why do you feel he is the best match for your mare?

Answer 16

I think that you should try to find a better stallion, he's not awful but I see him more of a gelding then a stallion. If I were you I would find another Appaloosa stallion so that it could be a purebred. Plus the stallion would probably have better conformation then that and you would be able to register it. Try to go to equine.com and look at stallions for stud. I'm sure you would be able to find a better one then the paint. http://www.equine.com/stallions-at-stud/... This one looks more or breeding quality. You will be able to find a horse of good quality depending where you live. Good luck!

Answer 17

The photos don't really do justice to either horse.  

WHY is that stallion NOT gelded?  No way is he sire material.

Is your mare ApHC registered?  If she is, WHY do you not pick another (better) Appaloosa to breed her to? (the point of breeding is to produce BETTER than sire or dam, not more mediocre)  

When breeding for color, there are no guarantees, only possibilities.

"Because it's there" is NO reason to breed.  If you've got to breed that mare, shell out some bucks and get a really good Appaloosa stallion, not the Fugly Horse of The Day.

We don't need more table meat for France.

Answer 18

due to our email conversation i have checed out the blood lines on this stallion ,his mother being " Not just a pretty face" and the sire being " Dee bar spin alena" he would produce a lovely foal.

Answer 19

In my honest opinion, I would discourage you from breeding this pair. Neither of them are breeding material. Sorry.

Answer 20

you will have a 50/50 percent chance of producing a foal.

edit:trying to predict the color and pattern of a foal is like trying to predict 50 years into the future and seeing as this is your mares first foal she may produce and she may not produce you never know,there are so many variables that are unknown even to science and nature.i really dont care if you thumb me down,it just shows that some people cant handle the truth.