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When did pro-creation become a sign of greatness?

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I find the love for child bearing, cleaning and nothing else to be quite masochistic and it deserves great scientific study. If you don't agree, then turn away seriously just turn away.

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  1. When you become a mom, then you'll understand.

    Until then, you have no idea what you are talking about.

    **EDIT**

      I enjoy being a mom, even with the getting up at 2 am with my newborn. It goes faster than you think. At least when I'm 80 yrs old I'll have grandchildren to come visit me at my home. Motherhood is for strong women, not weak ones who are selfish.

    All you'll have to look forward to is a weekly visit from your assisted living nurse


  2. I think it comes down to what you think success entails.

    The woman who can wake up everyday and gain satisfaction from being a mother to her kids gets my respect even if she doesn't get it from self-absorbed individuals like yourself.

    You sound like the kind of person who gives nothing back, but if it makes you happy to just take and pursue your own interests then sweet. Enjoy that

  3. Procreation itself is not a sign of greatness, but raising well-adjusted and happy kids is to SAHMs. That's their business. I intend to be a successful radio producer, but I know that would be unrealistic for a h**l of a lot of people.

  4. Truly, no offense, but I recognize a trend in your way of thinking here. One of my step-mothers was diagnosed with a severe mental illness that caused her to have strange thoughts like that too. She wrongly believed that all children grow up to hate their parents and that raising children was not a worth-while pursuit. All her kids are messed up because of this. Tragically, one even committed suicide, and the rest are now scattered to the winds. If you really think that there is something wrong with people that enjoy raising wholesome, healthy families, then you have some serious issues that need addressing by a professional. I would advise not marrying and don't do anything to create children yet.

    Good luck. ♥ ∞

  5. I agree with RIO. It's not about having kids. But having kids that are well raised and grow up to be a positive person in society.

  6. Raising a child well has become a thing of the past.  Nowadays, people end up hiring some random stranger for just over minimum wage to raise their kids for half or more of each day.  (Doesn't that just sound like a smart thing to do?)

    I have the greatest respect for the women who stay at home and raise their children well.  This way, I don't have to worry about the kids growing up and stealing my car or murdering my family.  

    Working sucks, but not everyone understands that at first.  Most will figure it out eventually.

    Work to live, don't live to work.

    If you don't have to work to live, then you are living a good life.

    It's fine and dandy that you have no interest in being the main support that bolsters your family, but don't try to enforce your interests(or lack of) on other women by belittling what they love to do.

  7. Personally, I dont see what the big fuss about motherhood and parenting is.

    It's just another poorly compensated, unappreciated job.  Some people do their jobs well and some do it poorly.   Too bad we cant fire bad parents.

  8. I always thought that it would be better to be a planet than to be a satellite that orbits a planet.  Some SAHM's are just satellites around their husbands, following them and reflecting their light.  Some are co-planets on a parallel orbit, making an art out of creating a home and raising children, and involving themselves with a great deal of volunteer work and activities which allow them to have great expression.    

  9. Procreation became a sign of greatness in the early stages of evolution.  Children didn't survive very often and the idea of procreation being necessary or good is something we have learned as a survival tool.  

  10. Get a life.  Having a child is a fantastic experience.  All that c**p about 3rd world countries is just smoke.  Moms who choose to stay at home work their butts off.  They take care of their kids and their home, cook, clean, drive kids to school and activities, take care of them when they are ill, clean up p**p, vomit and moldy food left the kids rooms.  They work 24/7 and probably your own mother or grandmother did as well.  They often do volunteer work as well.

    It is a choice to stay at home and those women are heros, just like the ones who go to work every day.  All women, no matter what they do are special and do not deserve the kind of comments you made.

  11. There aren't very many Joan of Arcs, Queen Elizabeths etc in the world.  Nor Oprah Whinfreys for that matter.  What do you think your chances are of becoming one?  And Nefertititi was famous for being the wife of the heretic Pharoah Akhenatan, in other words she was a housewife, though of a rather posh kind.

    There are quite a lot of people who have careers, some like them more than others.  My best friend for instance has a career, but she is totally bored with it and would much rather be a kept woman, but her boyfriend can't afford it.

    however, there are a great many people who do not have exciting careers, but merely work at jobs, which are not necessarily particularly exciting.  Staying at home with the kids may not be the world's most exciting occupation, but it is better than some.  many men, as well as women, do jobs that they are not particularly thrilled with, but just need to make a living.  Life's like that.  There's only room in the world for a certain number of Oprah Winfreys (one, actually).

    I have never had any career ambitions, except when I was a young child when I wanted to be Robin Hood.  However, opportunities for being Robin Hood are limited in this world, and as I grew up I realised that I didn't have it in me to be Robin Hood anyway, I wa sno good at atheltic pursuits, didn;t have it in me.  I had a succession of jobs, some of which I liked more than others, but none of which I fancied doing for the rest of my life.

    Why are you so obsessed with success as the only thing to give meaning to your life?  I personally find that I get a lot of pleasure out of my relationship with my husband and with my children, and I don'tpartiuclarly want to be stuck in some dreary office all day long.  I'dm uch rather be at home, and be able to read books, watch TV, and go on the computer when I get bored with what I am doing.  I do not particularly like housework, but even if I had a job I would still have to do some, and if I had children someone would have to look after them if I didn't.  Why not look after them myself?  Why expect someone else to do it?

    And what will happen to you if you do not become a great and successful person?  What then?  If success is your only criteria for happiness, what will become of you if you do not acheive it?

    Nobody is suggesting that you should be a housewife if you don't want to be, but why are you so hostile towards women who are?  Are you somehow frightened by the idea that there might be women in the world whose whole lives don't revolve around 'being successful' like yours does?  does it irk you that there are people who are not driven by the ambition to climb the corporate ladder?  Why?

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