When is it OK to fight for equal outcome?

Question

Occasionally you'll see someone bring up the fact that women are underrepresented in certain male-dominated fields. The response:

"Affirmative action?! h**l, NO! What happened to equal opportunity? What are you feminists smoking now?"

Then, later, you'll see someone else bring up the fact that women are underrepresented in arrests/charges for serious crimes. The response:

"I'm all for affirmative action to fix this problem."

Discuss.

NOTE: I do not support affirmative action in any of its forms.

Answer 1

Affirmative action does not equal "fair"...but quite the opposite.

Women should have a "fair" OPPORTUNITY  at a career AND criminal prosecution. lol

Answer 2

Simple answer, simple solution>>>>> Treat everyone the same.  If I apply for a construction job, give it too me.  If I kill someone, put me in jail or execute my ***.  It's simple really.  I think we have all ready come to this point in society so this feministic bull about us still not being treated fairly is just repercussions from all the c**p we are trying to get handed to us.  Sorry if I sound a bit holistic on this but that is what I believe.

Answer 3

Sadly, some people just don't get it...

Equality is NOT about forcing companies to hire an equal number of women (or whatever group is being "oppressed") - it is about taking gender out of the equation ENTIRELY!

If the question of gender is NOT asked (on a job application, or wherever) - it no longer becomes an issue (or at least it SHOULDN'T be one)...

I happen to be a guy working in a female-dominated field (Cosmetics) - and it doesn't bother me (or ANYONE around me) one little bit.  The company I work for is a GREAT employer - regardless of WHO you might be.

Maybe one of these days, these Trolls will FINALLY get a clue - or at least pull their heads out of their asses long enough to realize what's going on ;);););)

Answer 4

When equal outcome assures a person of their most basic human needs - adequate food, clothing and shelter.

But this model always seems to get corrupted in one way or another.

Answer 5

Affirmative actions is the only one opportunity women have in countries like mine, where only 2 % of cities has a woman as mayor, and where there are only 20 % of women in the Congress, and there are politicians who thinks shouldn't be there women as candidates because people doesn't vote for them.

Answer 6

Generally the, "I'm all for affirmative action to fix this problem." on things such as arrests is satire aimed at the feminists who do support equal outcome (for example Norway's management laws).

Answer 7

Rio!  What are you doing?  Clearly, this question is directed at trolls, or those who do not have balance in their thinking!

You and I both know that equal rights and opportunities is where it starts and stops.  The rest is just an excuse for argument between the radicals on both sides!

Answer 8

Nice.

Why can't we just make the choice of our profession and not have to answer for it? Why is it an issue to chose what we want to do with the rest of our lives?

There are many women in some male-dominated fields, and I applaud them. There also many men with degrees in Art related fields, thought of to be dominated by women. I applaud them as well.

As for serious crimes, it's up to the courts - which are HELLO - dominated once again by men!! Do the crime do the time, right? Funny how most doing the crimes of serious violence are men.

Answer 9

When you subscribe to marxism.

Affirmative action to bring more women in jail ? You just made that up.

Answer 10

When it suits yourself.

Isnt that the essence of selective application of equality.

They hail a video on the female gender being the future.

What happened to humanity?

Then when you try and ask men how they feel about this video the question gets deleted.

Childish and cowardly really.

Rio i'am afraid if the new outcrop of feminists in GWS is like this we are not going to have any debates here!!!

Answer 11

Well, I think affirmative action towards women already does exist in some fields, due to political pressure.  For example, a woman who applies to a top tier school for engineering (fields that are predominantly made up of males) would probably get in when a man with similar qualifications might not.  I don't think this is fair; women should be held to the same standards of excellence as men for such top tier schools and programs as these, and in any case, if the woman is interested in engineering she will be able to enter the profession if she is qualified, regardless of whether she is good enough to get into MIT.  If people really want to champion equal outcome, they should encourage girls to enter male-dominated professions if they are interested, but they should not lead them to think that they are especially entitled to a job or an opportunity simply because there aren't "enough" girls in that field.

I don't know who really complains that women are underrepresented in punishment of crimes, unless you are referring to the person who posted the question about "sentencing."

Answer 12

To be honest, I don't quite get the concept of equal outcome.  Equal opportunity, sure.  I fully support the dismantling of barriers which prevent a category of people from being able to enter a field of work or study.  But isn't outcome kind of up to the individual?  Or does it mean you lower standards in areas where a group of people are underrepresented?  I can't really agree with that.  However, I do agree with the idea of recruiting individuals within a certain category to certain professions.  For example, I would support recruiting men to become elementary school teachers because I think it would be beneficial for children to be exposed to men in a teaching role.  

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