Where are they going to get all the hydrogen for the new zero emission vehicles?

Question

They want stations for hydrogen to power these new cars, but where do they get it? HOW do they get it? What does it TAKE to get it? Is it going to cause any problems in the long term?

Answer 1

Most low emissions vehicles won't use hydrogen.  You've noted some of the reasons why.  See the link below for further details.

Answer 2

Unfortunatly, the Hydrogen Cell Cars as good of an Idea as it first seems is not possible. Do to the simple fact that it produces less energy than it takes in.

Answer 3

You can get hydrogen out of natural gas, which is indeed mostly methane.  You burn part of the gas to heat up the rest of it until the carbon falls out as carbon black.  The rest is hydrogen.  No electric power is used in the process.  This is how most of our hydrogen is produced.  The carbon black is used in products like tires--it's what makes tires black.  

You can also get hydrogen in other ways, the most famous being the dissociation of water by passing electric current through it.  This takes a lot of power, and it's not quite as simple to do on a large scale as you might imagine.  

The people who make hydrogen cars received an incomplete assignment.  I think it was assumed that the hydrogen supply and delivery problems would be solved by this time, and they clearly have not.  So you're right: hydrogen cars aren't much of a solution to anything, because we don't have any hydrogen.

Answer 4

let me start off by saying Hydrogen is a great option for the concept of free energy.     I built my first hydrogen cell about 5 years ago. Have converted over 50 vehicles in the last 10 years (gydrogen and EV) and now currently run 2 trucks (and another EV), my home hot water heater, home stove and home generator on hydrogen for free with caught rain water and the help of a $10 solar panel.  I offer a step by step DIY guide to walk anyone interested threw the process. You can find it at www agua-luna com or you can email me.

There are basically 3 safe ways to make and use it... chemically, electrically and molecularly, the first 2 being easier so I'll only discuss them here. The fallowing steps were taking directly out of a DIY guide I offer to those who would like to run their vehicles or home on hydrogen safely. The entire guide is available at www agua-luna com

    On demand h2 generators are a bit different from the Hollywood versions like seen Chain Reaction with Keanu Reeves, that tend to explode violently every time a film is being made. However when used in an on-demand system there is no storage of hydrogen and oxygen in its gas form, only liquid (water) and is only transformed into gas “on-demand” in small cylinder size amounts. It’s actually safer then gasoline as it doesn’t evaporate, creating explosive fumes in the tank like gas. the following were actually taken out of my $5 guide available at www agua-luna com

    Chemically

    1. You’ll need a 6inch x 1ft schedule 40 pvc pipe. With pvc cement glue a cap on the bottom and use a s***w on cap for the top. Drill a small hole (1/4inch or so) in the side close to the top, s******g in a small copper shut off valve. Place a few feet of stranded (food grade is good) flex hose to the valve and into the air intake of your engine (carburetor or fuel injections).

    2. Now crunch up a couple aluminum cans (beer cans, soda cans etc) and drop them into the pvc pipe, along with a couple cups of lye (Red Devil drain opener has lye in it, some Clorox and Drano’s do to).

    3. Then simply add water, s***w on the top and wait a few minutes.

    What happens in simplicity is that aluminum and lye don’t really get along so they battle, and as always the innocent civilians (water H2O) that the most casualties, by giving up its hydrogen and oxygen. This then builds up in the void of the pipe and is ready to be vented into your engine, by opening the valve. You may need to start your engine on gas then switch it off after the hydrogen starts burning.

    Electrical is a bit easier then Chemically.

    1. Simply take a small solar panel 1.5 amps is what I use ($9 at harborfreight.com), connect the 2 wires from the panel +- to 2 conductors (carbon cores of batteries work well, just be careful removing it from the jacket), but any conductive material will work ie. Copper, aluminum, steel, etc.

    2. Drop the wires into a water tank (I use 55gal drums), make sure they don’t touch each other.

    3. Drill a small hole (1/4inch or so) in the side close to the top, s******g in a small copper shut off valve. Place a few feet of stranded (food grade is good) flex hose to the valve and into the air intake of your engine (carburetor or fuel injections).

    4. Then simply add water, s***w on the top cap and wait.

    After a few hours tiny bubbles will form and rise off one conductor (that’s hydrogen) and even smaller bubbles that just looks like foam will rise off the other (oxygen). I don’t remember which likes the positive and which likes the neg hydrogen or the oxygen.

    The third method is more complicated and is what I use for my vehicles. It’s just a modified Joe’s Cell, there’s a step by step DIY guide available to walk you threw the process here www agua-luna com

It also covers the other 2 methods described in more detail.

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Hope this helped, feel free to contact me personally if you have any questions if you’d like assistance in making your first self sufficient steps, I’m willing to walk you step by step threw the process. I’ve written several how-to DIY guides available at  www agua-luna com on the subject. I also offer online and on-site workshops, seminars and internships to help others help the environment.

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Answer 5

Currenty the easiest way to make hydrogen is with methane. Essentially you take a lot of energy and some methane, and you end up with hydrogen and carbon dioxide. It takes quite a lot of energy to do this at the moment - I believe I heard that it costs $12 worth of electricity to make an amount of enough hydrogen gas that is the equivalent potential energy of one gallon of gasoline. Not very efficient.

However the energy it takes is electricity. A few years ago the big thing was to build natural gas electric plants, because natural gas was really cheap. Now it is coal electricity plants, because coal is really cheap. None of these are clean, however.

So the new thing is nuclear. Nuclear is clean - it doesn't release any chemicals into the atmosphere except a little bit of water. We could, theoretically, take nuclear power, create our hydrogen with that, and have a true zero-emmisions car. However the spent nuclear fuel is quite toxic to all life (even bacteria) and has to be put somewhere. Currently in the USA we store it under a mountain in Nevada, and the mountain is large enough that we could store whatever we need down there. But regardless of where we store it, we have to transport it, and it is still rather hazardous whether it is stored safely or not. One top of this there is always a small possibility of a nuclear disaster from a nuclear power plant, but I consider this to be a relatively minor risk compared to the transportation of spent nuclear fuel.

The point is that there is no clean source of energy. Nuclear energy creates nuclear waste. Wind power kills birds. Hydroelectric power kills fish. Ethanol steals food from the poor. Solar panels are made from toxic chemicals. Any way you look at it, generating energy is a dirty business.

The only way to reduce emissions is to use less energy. To do this, we should simply drive less. It doesn't require a fancy car; it requires the discipline of not driving. Alternatively, we can drive smaller vehicles, such as motorcycles and bicycles. Next time you want to drive somewhere, remember that the only clean energy is that energy that doesn't get used in the first place.